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is there anyone out there who can educate on why people hate jews so much.
i'm not a jewish first of all and my parents raised me as an atheist (which means i don't believe in existance of god)
so people please tell me in concise and precise way, the reason why people hate jews so much.
(to tell the truth, i've never got to have a chance to read entire bible, no offense)
becides i've never met many jewish people before so i don't know whether or not they are humans or animals. maybe i'm an ignorant american if you like.

they stink
ask your mom
i suck
your dung ass
Ignorance
muslims are more hated thanks to lies and fear
High % of Jews successful - Jew haters are jealous
their stores are not open on Saturday
they steal others land, money, and cultures
Because of stereotypes that just won't go away
because they've sadly been brought up that way
Jesus Christ being crucified
evil people need a scapegoat
They have lied about the Holocaust
don't know when there are Pakis.
their "bible" tells them to rule the world..FREAKS
Jews care about money not people
What's with the broken English?
You are all racist bastards
ignorance and stereotypes
Blame the trees
WHY DO JEWS hATE NON-JEWS SO MUCH?
Jewish Terrorism
They are ballantly inferior
Because they watch too much TV and accept opinions
Mel Gibson
nick dong dang dong fling dong flew!
ballot sabotage is fun
why do Jews hate non-Jews so much??
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Question Judaism, and Go to Hell.
Because of Kabbalah
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Mohels Love to Suck Fresh Penile Blood
Jewish Vampires
Oy Vey!
Maimonides
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Anonymous is an Ignoramus
Ariel Sharon Wears Women's Underwear.
The Orthodox Religion
The Kabbalah is Satanism
The People of the Book?
The Real Talmud
Public Law 102-114
B'nai B'rith
Gentiles Are Not Deemed Human
The Jewish Mentality
Jewish Atheism
Faithful Jews?
Faith in WHAT?
Real, Original Jews
Imposter Jews
Retarded Gentiles
Webjedi Wants to Be a Righteous Gentile
Return of the Webjedi
May the Schwartz Be With You
Jewish Toilet Obsessions
Rebel Yell
Backing Up Lies?
No Argument
Their Practice of Psychological Warfare
Arafat
Jewish Totalitarianism
Praising Hitler?
Machismo Bullshit from Jedi
Webyahoodi
Whatever, Dude
Ariel Sharon Is the Greatest Jew
Talmud and Kabbalah Are One
Understanding Judaism
Understanding Jews
Hitler, a Christian?
Schizophrenia on Parade
The "Torah" Fraud
Is Christianity to Blame?
The Rabbis Think They Are God
The Soncino Talmud
Jewish Rituals
The Blood of a Goy
It's Their Destiny to Be Hated
I Blame the Religion
The Holocaust(TM)
Judaism Is Weak
Judaism Undercover
Other Holocausts
Welcome to the Jewish Mentality
Jewish Paranoia
Voting?
Advice from Yosi
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Gentiles Do Not Have Genuine Free Will
Most People Are Suckers
Because, Just Because
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There are too many choices on this poll.
I agree ^
The Jews gave us God. Death to the messengers!
Yep, definitely way too many choices on this thing.
I would imagine Barbra Streisand has a little to do with it...
"The humans kill what they do not understand."
Because the Jew's finicially exploited christians with Usury...
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Jealousy, definitely. I'd like to see another religion go through so much and still survive.


I think people are jealous.
White supremacists hate blacks, because they point to their shortcomings, or lack of success. They hate Jews because they hate
their intelligence, work ethic, success, and the fact their faith is older
than Christianity, not to mention the crucifying of Jesus Christ. The funny thing is Jesus Christ was born a Jew, and that's fact.

JEWS are world's most intelligent peoples they are controlling world's economi and just for they are all rich everybody hates them not for killing jesus christ.I wish I were a jew but I am muslim
Excellent points, stingray.
Oh, sure. Terrorism.

So the U.N. IS an organization of terrorists. Hmmmmmmmm...

Funny, I don't see any Israelis blowing up busses, or teaching 3 year olds how to shoot someone.
Oh, but then again, it's always our fault, isn't it?

Jews have conned people to believe in their own version of the holocaust.

FOR THE UNEDUCATED READ THE TALMUD, THE JEWISH HOLY BOOK THAT THEY REGARD AS MORE HOLY THAN THE BIBLE ITSELF, THIS TELLS YOU WHAT THE JEWS REALLY THINK OF NON JEWS!

HITLER WAS RIGHT, NO SURRENDER!

Thank you Violinmeister8x.
Actually most people probably don't hate Jews, or they would have let the Nazis do what they liked.
This is for the Anonymous
Christian who wrote about Jesus being crucified by
the Romans. I know that, but the Jews are being blamed for his crucificixtion, which was a pivotal event in Christianity. I think these so-called Christians
who dislike Jews would be
thankful that Jesus Christ died for their sins, or that's how the story goes.
If that's the case, then Christ being crucified for
the sins of humans was a
necessary thing. Besides, if he is truly the son of God, then he should be ok
in Heaven, correct? His Father is taking good care of him, it's just that his human form no longer exists.

Newsflash: Nobody killed Jesus... read the Jesus Mysteries.
They are the spawn of satan. They hate white people and want to smash all white culture with multiculturism so white people have no identity and the JEW can then rule freely in America.
Sure. We want to kill everyone, we want to destroy everyone, murder everyone, take over the world, take over society, any more?

You all know that's a lie. Who's the nation who did almost nothing in return to all the pogroms, inquisitions, holocausts, the Holocaust, and whatever the fuck else?

I want to see another nation go through as much as we did, and not complain about it.

Our whole existence has been a tale of tears and suffering. Why? Because that's what God chose to do, and we respect his decisions.
And although, there were mass-murdering, Jews never lost their faith in God. Never.

Which major religion prays more than once a day? Muslims amd Jews.

People of which religion do not put a crumb of food into their mouth before reciting a blessing, and on most cases recite one afterwards, as well? Jews.

Which religion was always victorious during religious debates against dukes and priests and kings? Jews.

On which religion does it it EXPLICITLY say that God gave it the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai? Jews.

Have a good day.

Jew boy, you are forgetting one thing.
While you rant and rave about fictional Biblical events such as God giving you the 10 commandments, you fail to realise that we dont give a fuck about Judaism, Islam, or Christianity. Religion is the food of the simple minded.
You seem to forget about Christians when you mention those killed by the holocaust. Stalin, who was a Jew, ordered the deaths of MILLIONS of Christians in Soviet Russia by way of the Gulag camps.
The concept of never losing faith in a God that puts his 'race' on earth to watch them die and be slaughtered is floored. The concept that he only has one race is also floored. Therefor, the concept of God is floored. You see we really dont give a fuck about ancient rules and religious regulations. Judaism is the most ancient, barbaric religion on earth and preaches hate and ethnic cleansing against the White man. Anybody who disagrees with me on this one should read the Jewish Talmud.
If you think that Jews do not have a political agenda in world politics, then you are either uneducated or just politically naieve. Maybe both.
However, Jews are one of the most intelligent races in the world, and their hold on world media, politics and American congress continues to help them dominate affairs across the world.

Shamon, everything you just said is either factually incorrect or just plain bullshit. Get a proper education.
Amen Jpparie.

Shamon, if that's what yu base the existence of a god on, then I have nothing to say to you.

Stalin was a Jew? ok...


We want to perform an ethnic cleansing on white people. May your ears hear what your mouth speaks. That was an extremely stupid comment. The Jews, for your information, have been experimented for ethnic cleansing all these years, not the other way around.

But of course, you'll just twist whatever I say, so it's as if I'm talking to the wall.

I don't know why.But I know sor sure a lot of people don't like them.
Because people are too stupid to accept their own faults so they must attribute the problems on someone other than themselves. Every single group has issues. Christians, Jews, whatever. Who gives a shit? Lots of people hate Jews, while Catholic priests fuck little boys... see we have our issues.
Hitler himself for you:

You said yourself that you have no idea why Jews are hated so much. Let me ask you: So why do people hate us? The answer(s) is/are simple: Either:
1)Ignorance, as they have been brought up that way and have no fuckin' idea what the hell is actually wrong with the Jews.
2) Jealousy. Enough said.
3) They have been mislead by shit like "the Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and crap like that.

Regards.

The BIBLE has written proof of all your "theories". It says that the Jews will be persecuted, abused, and killed, and it prophecied that the WORLD (most likely the Arab World) will one day UNITE to strike on Israel but God will protect His chosen people in a supernatural way. You may think that I'm a lunatic, but the bible has been 100% accurate in ALL the prophecies it presented. The Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ just yet, because the Great Tribulation has to come first...then in the end, they will believe in the Messiah that they've always rejected throughout the history of mankind.

"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE"

And by the way, the Resurrection of Jesus is proven historically. I'm not here to argue, but to present the TRUTH.

i don't like isreal but jew haters are jealous jews are the most advanced religion in the world
the protocol of the learned elders of zion....find it on the internet.....jews plot to fuck you over
Terrorists plan to fuck you over first, Vontion
In America, Black people hate Jews the most.
Vontion isn't even American. She says she's from Idaho, but she doesn't even know how to spell it (Ideho). I can also tell by the way she writes that English is not her first language. Based on the type of grammar mistakes she makes, I'd wager she's really from the middle-east somewhere. First language is probably Arabic, or Farsi - possibly Turkish. She's probably not really a she, either.
Well..if i follwo american logic its because there jelous of jews and there succsefullnis, as everyone who hate america or anyhjitnh gamerican must be jelouse of there power
I don't know why, but I can't hate Jews because my Savior & Lord, Jesus was a Jew and so was his Blessed Mother, Mary!
No Christian shouldn't hate Jews and let's not forget that hating people is a sin!

It's funny how hatred is seen inappropriate at times and justified at other times. How honest can some of you be with yourselves. If you hate any group of people then you have issues. If you think just because you are christian and jewish then you can justify your hate on others then you are ignorant. I feel like some of you are using muslims and others as a scapegoat. Kinda like dont hate me but hate them. People are just too ignorant. Their is no hope for humanity, budda is right, life is suffering. if only you find a way to enlighten yourself.
Looks like most people know that Jews are just people, and that people who hate Jews are just ignorant.

For those of you who do not know your theology:
Jesus was Jewish and so were the disciples.

All of the disciples went to Synagouge even after Jesus died.

If you love Jesus, yes, you love a Jew!

If you want to be like Jesus, learn about Judaism.

Any one who wrote on this pole that THEY HATE JEWS I AGREE
Jews are CUNTS
Uhh... HUH?


I seriously hope that that was a sarcastic comment. I should go to Al-Jazeera radio and listen to what's happening from a twisted, biased, completely idiotic, and anti-semite reporter who has nothing but the destruction of Israel and the Jewish nation on his mind and at the top of his assets?

It's all in the Bible, the New & Old Testaments, prophecied and fulfilled thousands of times, through generations and generations. But all these will just remain as questions to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. These are all old news, and we, followers of Christ, are not puzzled or confused like the rest because God revealed them all to those who put their faith in Him, and to the One whom He sent to redeem mankind on the cross of Calvary in Israel.
There are some vicious comments by members, also. Primarily, 2. And I think you know exactly who I'm talking about.
;-)

Pureamerican, you are racist. That makes you no different than a Nazi. There's nothing original or hard to understand about hate. It's easier to hate than to use your brain or educate yourself. And what's with the broken English?
I am a turkish muslim and I love jews but I hate arabs they smell like apig and they don't use fork to eat sth they're disgusting but I love jews and people hte them because they know how to earn money and they 're all rich so jealous stupids hate them
Correct. Get your moth-eaten ass of the chair and go out there and make some money. Stop using other people as your scapegoats or punching bags. It will come right back at you at the end, I promise you.
Nope, Lew. They hate us much more. And they're so blinded by their hatred that they can't think straight.
WHY DO JEWS hATE NON-JEWS SO MUCH?
Why should anyone listen to YOUR opinin, Hamsun-sen, when you mention that Stalin didn't kill enough Jews? And no, we don't see Gentiles as dogs, although we SHOULD, because, after all, that is the way ignorant schmucks like you look at US! Why do I say your ignorant? Simply because of one thing. You deny the Holocaust. That's why. No, I am not saying it's true because I am a Jew. I am saying that because 11 million people, six million Jews out of them, don't vanish into thin air over a period of 6 years. Oh, and also because I don't think my grandfather had his arm tattooed willingly. Why should he want something weird like F-16746 on his arm. It must be because he wanted to lie that 6 million Jews were tortured, and really they weren't, right? Right, asshole?
jews suck
And so do you.
Dude you jelous jew hating people can go suck hitlers dick. Jews have gone through alot and survived. Sure, Israel isn't perfrect and neither are jews. But neither are you! Hitler, hitler, hitler. Seems so many people like him. You know, even if you believe in hitler, if your not blonde and blue eyed he wouldnt like you. he probably would take you outside and shoot you through the head. I am Jewish and proud of it. and christ was JEWISH! How are people so stupid not to know that?
Nah, he wouldn't do that. If they would swear to him that they really really REALLY hate Jews with all their heart, and what they love best is seeing a Jew crumple to the ground, then Hitler would make an exception and let them join his club... on condition that they'd let him change their eye-color with chemicals.


Wussy, if someone hates somebody else with a blind hatred, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. That is the case over here, as well.


May Hitler rot in Hell.

I know it's a problem for you to understand judaism, which relates not only to the beliefs and costumes of the person, but also to it's nationality, unlike any other religion. Judaism isn't missionary religion because of the nationality issue, and the chosen people concept. Even today, converting to judaism is very hard (orthodoxic), and only achieved when the person proves that he attached himself to the history of the jews as well as to their religion.
You also have a problem with accepting the fact that this method - of combining the religion with the nationality and keeping them under strict seperatism (I'm not sure about the translation of this) that judaism imposes on its believers. The close communities that don't assimilate or lose their faith, is one of the reasons for the survival of judaism - faith and nationality for at least 3200 years. This is also one of the main reasons for the hate that the jews' neighbors developed, but because of its nature, judaism succeded and survived - and reborned as a true nationality in the late 19th century, and finally the creation of Israel.
About the khazars stuff, I understand that you have no proofs for that, and I find it hard to believe that they were accepted by the jews at the time. Over the years many nations and tribes converted to judaism and followed the bible, but the mainstream of jews - the original jews didn't accepted them. For example the Shomronim, I'm not sure if I can translate it to Sumerians, but anyway, they are cult of non jews who converted before the the firsst return to Zion in 538 B.C. and those who came back never accepted them, and ddin't let them build the second holy temple. Those Shomronim aren't considered as jews today, although they are citinzens of Israel. The same is about all those who claim they are from the lost 10 tribes, never such group was accepted - so I find it hard to believe that such swap was possible when you talk about whole tribes and not individuals.
And even if you're right, don't forget that already then - in the 7th century they accepted Zion as their homeland and prayed for the salvation - Geula, in Zion, and that's way before the arabs who were defined as Palestinians ever left the Arab Peninsula.
According to this theory, what happened to the original jews? And how does it explain the jews who stayed in Zion?

why do jews hate non-jews so much?
WHY we hate them????is this a fucking JOKE..everyone hates these mother fucking filthy tribe of animals.
Kill all the fucking Jews

Why do jews hate gentiles so much??
The Revisionist: You made up about 75% of that stuff so I can see how you be able to write such a volumnous tirade in such a short amount of time.

Jesus wasn't Jewish? The Holocaust didn't happen? Come on, nobody believes you. Since you are making most of this stuff up and adding just a little truth here and there it SOUNDS close to reality but since it isn't reality it is not the truth.

If you were hurt by a Jew I'm sorry, but not all Jews are bad and you people need to stop attacking them. You can't blame them for shit, they've behaved like model citizens in almost every society and have been SHIT ON for it. I am ashamed to be of the same race as Nazis and you should be too. Go back to Germany and take you ideaology and your lies and half-tuths with you so that you guys can destroy yourselves again.

Millions of deaths aren't good enough for you, you want BILLIONS of deaths don't you? No wonder Germany is responsible for Two World Wars and vandalism.

F u c k y o u r a c i s t s b a s tards
let's kick pureA in the nuts!
And you say that you DON'T hate Jews, Revisionist? Sorry, but all of the evidence points to the contrary, and I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

But that's not what I wanted to say. What I wanted to say is:


1) 6 Million Jews died in the Holocaust, no less. If you don't believe me, do you believe Hitler and Eichmann? They said the exact same thing.

2) If you say that the Talmud is fucked-up then you have no idea what you're talking about. The Talmud does NOT override the Torah/Bible. Frankly, the Talmud is inferred and learned out through all the verses of the Torah. The Torah is the basis for the Talmud.

3) A mohel sucks out the blood by that method because that is the safest and gentlest way to remove all the bad blood from the baby, and not harm him.

4) And no, my grandfather did not make a beeline to the tattoo parlor the day he heard that they were giving out reparations. Actually, he was living in Israel at the time.


Your comments make it clear that you are a huge anti-semite; in heart and soul. You take the most mundane things, and twist them so you'll make the Jews look bad. (What else is new?)

Regards.

lighten up Revisionist. If you find the solution for world peace then let me know.
Violinmeister8x, stop obsessing about your tribe. It is this self centerdness that brings your tribe bad karma.
Well, I'll reply only to the comments to my things, because it will already be too long.
First I don't understand the &#8211 and its friends - so what does they mean?
To the point, the first part of your response just shows that you simply don't understand the principle of judaism. Back then - even 3000 years ago, our ancestors (original jews, if you insist) understood that the only way in which a nationality and religion can survive through the ages, and the hard times it is headed for, is to seal the communities from any foreign influences - so the jewish costumes and ceremonies will last as they were in the origin, without Synkretism - combining different faiths and costumes. And indeed, the most dangerous times, when assimilation of the jews and the possibility of forgetting their true nationality - was in 3rd and 2nd century B.C. That's when the helenic culture took over the world, assimilating and thus eliminating other faiths and nations from the world - like ancient egyptians, babylonians and so on. The fact is that those culture weren't as close as judaism, and that caused their disappearance and the helenic-telmaic and helenic-Persian (Seleucian?) culture to take over. Many jews did assimilated, and it was a great danger for the continuation of the jewish tradition - and thus nationality, because when you forget your own beliefs - you'll soon forget where you came from and fully assimilate. A rebelion was opened in which the jewish seperatists won and re-established the independent jewish country. You have to remember that judaism survived even much tougher challenge - the second Galloot, in which jews were seperated from their homeland and settled among foreigners, but still kept their religious identity - for 2000 years, untill the reborn of the jewish nationality. Now, you have to seperate the past judaism from the current. The past one was the one who consisted the babylonian Talmud - from the 6th century B.C., by that time, you can't criticize only the jews because all the world, religions - pagans and early christianity and Islam, preached for terrible things, like forced world domination and stuff. But in the enlightement age judaism was changed, although the orthodox jews still believe in those scripts, but never want to implement them - but that also relates to other devoted people from other religions - for example Osama Bin Laden - what makes him different that he is working towards Islamic world domination by force, using the religious explanations. The other jewish group - the more secular one, adopted to the new age, and started to assimilate in the society in which they lived - some lost their identity, but some kept their jewish identity, because their judaism was so firm - because of its nature, and in those ages your judaism didn't prevented the person from getting ahead in the society. But like in the greeks' ages the assimilation happened - and still happen today in the Gola - not in the real homeland - Israel. Zionism offered to the seculars a way to keep their jewish identity - thru nationality, not only religion, since the jewish people hadn't a country of his own for the last 2000 years, so the jewish nationality was frozen - but the fact is that he wasn't deleted - and that's the success of judaism in my opinion. To your question, I'm an Israeli, and a jew, but I don't believe in the religious part, so you can basically say I'm an atheist, but my nationality and history is jewish, and now when jews has a country of their own, the threat of assimilating is decreasing.
To the nazi stuff, that's the mistake that you antisemites do, the jews never claimed they are better - when you don't relate to the talmud, but they wanted to decrease the friction with the local non-jewish population, so one way is to forbid marriage outside the communities and keep the purity of the race (You don't have to define it as race, let's say that the jews should be deceandents of the original jewish people/tribe, cause I too don't think we are seperate race). Anyway it may sound racist, and the talmud is stupid, like a lot of stuff from that age, but it served the purpose - of not assimilating by adopting the costumes of your non-jewish wife for example. The most certain way to prevent that is to forbid those kind of marriage. So yes it may sound racist but it is, although very extreme, the most secure way to keep the jewish religion and nationality alive. The lack of acceptance of other non-linked groups to the jewish mainstream, is one of the extremest ways of protecting the faith, and it reflects the JUSTIFIED fear of foreign influence over the original religion, and causes trouble with the jewish seperate natinality - not in a nazi way, but in a way that should and does prevent tribes like khazars from "adopting" our nationality. Now, I have nothing against that, and whoever that wants to connect himself to this religion and nationality AS IT IS, is welcomed to undergo orthodox convertion and join the jewish people. The talmud had a problem with that, but you can't say that religion shouldn't forbid people to join it - this is not discrimination in a restaurant...
On ballot #12995 you can find more answers to your accusations, written by me and others, and I'll relate latter to the rest of the things you say - it's just too long for now...

The registered anonymous who written the last comment is me (yosi)
boy, talk about ethnocentrism
Any tribe that is ostentatiously ethnocentric, hordes wealth, and insults outsiders, invites hatred upon itself.
Again, your problem to understand the purpose of the Talmud, causes you to understand it the way you understand Hitler. Let me ask you this, if you convert now a group of people to christianity, and in the future this group will influence christianity in a way that it'll forget jesus and god and so on... Will you agree to that? Now imagine that christianity is a little religion in a world in which most people don't believe in jesus and christianity's stuff, and to add to that, christians are seperated groups, without territory of their own. What will you do? give up and merge in the population?
The jews didn't, and the only way it is possible is the way of seperatism - "Hitbadlut".
Now, for the difference between hitbadlut and nazism - nazism was based on the "natural order" concept and acted towards achieving that goal - not only to keep the purity of its own race, but to make the world be the way it is supposed to be according to the natural order - in which the less superior races are uneducated slaves for the Aryan race, and the most inferior races - jews and others are eliminated. Now I don't see anything wrong with the idea of keeping the nationality closed to others, but in anyway you can't violate other races rights. When the germans invaded other countries or even restricted minorities' rights it was wrong and forbidden. I know that you as an antisemite won't agree that the jews aren't acting towards those goals - but this is your paranoia. Now, about the Talmud, you don't accept that it became irrelevant to all the jews, just like extreme primitive writing of Islam and christianity aren't being implemented.
Now if you from one side claim we aren't real jews, so how come you blame us for killing christ or following the talmud? After all those belong to the original jews by your theory...
I'm sure that the Talmud's intention is to maintain the jewish faith and identity, and for a fact, judaism is the oldest nationality and religion - that survived at least 3200 years. You can't say that it could be kept in other way because you can't give any example of religion that did survived in the judaism conditions. So basically your claim is that judaism shouldn't have survived, like each antisemite throuout the years, ask yourself if it's legitimate - if you can force a religion to be extinct.

"Now if you from one side claim we aren't real Jews, how come you blame us for killing Christ or following the Talmud?"

Real Jews - members of the tribe of Judah, prior to AD 70, were not Khazars or Sephardis, and the oral tradition (the beginnings of Talmud) was merely a political-religious undercurrent. I hold the religion of Judaism responsible for the murder of Christ. If you claim Judaism as your religion, or Zionism or Communism as your ideoology, then you are culpable. The Talmud takes responsibility, and as outgrowths of Talmud, the adherents of these ideologies are likewise culpable. They inherit the same mentality.

"I'm sure that the Talmud's intention is to maintain the Jewish faith and identity..."

I'm sure it has a MUCH bigger agenda.

"...and for a fact, Judaism is the oldest nationality and religion - that survived at least 3200 years."

No, that is not a fact.

"You can't say that it could be kept in other way because you can't give any example of religion that did survived in the Judaism conditions."

Of course, I can - Christianity. Christians were viciously persecuted for roughly 400 years before that religion's widespread acceptance. Oddly, you did not see Christians adopting a crime syndicate masquerading as a religion in order to survive, as have "Jews."

"So basically your claim is that Judaism shouldn't have survived, like each anti-Semite throughout the years, ask yourself if it's legitimate - if you can force a religion to be extinct."

Why not? If an ideology such as National-Socialism can be brought to heel for World Zionism by a proxy Gentile force (World War II), why cannot the tables be turned for a nationalistic, socialistic "religion" like Judaism?

"Again, your problem to understand the purpose of the Talmud, causes you to understand it the way you understand Hitler."

Why not? The two ideologies are practically sisters!

"Let me ask you this, if you convert now a group of people to Christianity, and in the future this group will influence Christianity in a way that it'll forget Jesus and God and so on... Will you agree to that?"

No. But that is only the experience of Pharisaism-cum-Judaism. The thing in that case which is presumably in danger of being forgotten is racial self-worship. That is why assimilation is guarded against so strictly.

"Now, for the difference between hitbadlut and Nazism - Nazism was based on the 'natural order' concept and acted towards achieving that goal - not only to keep the purity of its own race, but to make the world be the way it is supposed to be according to the natural order - in which the less superior races are uneducated slaves for the Aryan race, and the most inferior races - Jews and others are eliminated."

Ah, but this is exactly the purpose of the Noahide laws. Judaism seeks to establish worship of "Jewish blood" - whatever that is, as the only legitimate object of worship. Anything else is blasphemy with decapitation as the punishment. Knowing these things makes me question just how much your people really love peaceful relations.

You hold the judaism responsible to christ - what should be done to them? To be more specific what should be done to the current jews who "inherited" the guilt of killing jesus? You set the standarts for judaism - that we shouldn't act as Hitler, so be careful with that answer, so you won't be a hypocrat...
Other issues
How could the khazars adopt a faith and the talmud which rejects them, I and any ametuer anthropoligist would think that they'll try to legitimize themselves - so did the Shomronim, Karaites and any other group of unaccepted jews. But as you said those khazars inherited even the mentality. I think it'll be an enormous task to convert whole tribe - millions you said to religion that from the first place rejects them. And even not to try to change it to legitimize themselves...
I'm by the way sepharadian jew, if you're interested, but this explanation should include the sepharadians convert - when did it took place and where? And if it did, how come those apperantly non-connected streams in judaism acknowledges one another, but don't acknowledge the rest of the cults claiming to be jewish?
And another thing, zionism I can understand, but how can you explain communism's link to judaism, which its main points are complete devotion to religion, and hitbadlut?
This too is antisemite claim, because communism wasn't a jewish invention, but it was invented and implemented by people some of whom were jews, but they were extreme secular jews, who neglected their religion - and thus the talmud's intentions...

"When the Germans invaded other countries or even restricted minorities' rights it was wrong and forbidden. I know that you as an anti-Semite won't agree that the Jews aren't acting towards those goals - but this is your paranoia."

The word Semite denotes a language group, and I find it difficult to oppose a language. Can you prove that "Jews" are Semites?

Paranoia? Yosi, I resent this assertion very deeply. It smacks of only arrogance and supremacy, and these are not becoming traits. However, "Jews" like even you are apparently so enamored of their group and convinced of its necessity for Tikkun Olam that they just cannot think of anything else. Paranoia? Only a very rabid national megalomania can produce such an apologist attitude for all Zionist actions or the support thereof.
"You hold Judaism responsible to Christ..."

Yes, indeed I do, just as any "Jew" can proclaim the "anti-Semitism" of Christianity, or maintain of the genetic evil supposedly inherent to German blood. (cf. Daniel J. Goldhagen)

What about German blood in the United States?

"What should be done to them? To be more specific what should be done to the current Jews who 'inherited' the guilt of killing Jesus?"

Well, all I can do is forgive them according to the dictates of my religion, although not failing to point out their error.

Christianity is a missionary religion - it wanted to convert the entire roman empire, and that's how it survived - using missionary methods to increase the number of its followers - you see judaism can't do that, and yet it survived, as you claim 1200 years between the khazars adoption of judaism untill today. 400
One thing's for sure, you certainly won't find me lopping off people's heads simply because they disagree with my religion or refuse to worship me. But then that's the stark contrast of Judaism to Christianity: Judaism is utterly incapable of forgiveness and reconciliation. All it knows is war and vengeance.
well the rest of my things were deleted after the 400. I have to go now, but
I'LL BE BACK

But Yahweh said, "Vengeance is mine." The Jewish people think they are God! How messed up is that?!
"Christianity is a missionary religion - it wanted to convert the entire Roman Empire, and that's how it survived - using missionary methods to increase the number of its followers. You see Judaism can't do that, and yet it survived, as you claim 1200 years between the Khazars adoption of Judaism until today."

Judaism "can't" do that because the notion of racial superiority is just too intoxicating.

It was not "Judaism" that survived for 3200 years, because "Judaism" began formally in AD 70 as a response to the threat perceived in Christianity. Before AD 70 there was Pharisaism. Before that, the "traditions of men," as the New Testament calls the oral tradition. Before that, it was the paganism picked up in Babylon and Egypt. Before that, it was the Golden Calf. That is the belt of transmission for what is called "Judaism" today.
What you have there is a persistent spirit of evil and mischief that continuously plagued ALL 12 of the tribes of Israel, and not just Judah. The fact that it has infected a race of Turko-Mongoloids (Khazars) proves that Satan can influence ANY race of people. None are immune.
" But then that's the stark contrast of Judaism to Christianity: Judaism is utterly incapable of forgiveness and reconciliation. All it knows is war and vengeance. "
I guess christianity's forgiveness and reconciliation is the reason for the world peace in the christianity's reign - since 4th century A.D., you are probably one of the better examples for that forgiveness and reconciliation :
"What you have there is a persistent spirit of evil and mischief that continuously plagued ALL 12 of the tribes of Israel, and not just Judah."
"Oddly, you did not see Christians adopting a crime syndicate masquerading as a religion in order to survive, as have "'Jews.'"
Your forgiveness and reconciliation is just overwhelming. But obviously there is a problem with your blind hate for jews today because of religious scripts 2000 years old - Talmud. Although you said:
"Well, all I can do is forgive them according to the dictates of my religion", you still blames the jews for all what's bad in that world - communism for example. Those accusation are meant to legitimize your hate, it is obvious that your hate is religious hate, a hate so famous, a hate because of which the dark ages were called that way. You should ask yourself how many victims there were to that christianity religious hate, believing the entire world should accept jesus. You claim that jews only have war and vengeance, but do you know how many innocent jews were slaughtered in medieval europe because of vengeance of jesus' death?
A non-hating person doesn't talk like you, but forgives and reconciles.

Revisionist, you haven't commented on my comment "How could the khazars adopt a faith and the talmud which rejects them, I and any ametuer anthropoligist would think that they'll try to legitimize themselves - so did the Shomronim, Karaites and any other group of unaccepted jews. But as you said those khazars inherited even the mentality. I think it'll be an enormous task to convert whole tribe - millions you said to religion that from the first place rejects them. And even not to try to change it to legitimize themselves...
I'm by the way sepharadian jew, if you're interested, but this explanation should include the sepharadians convert - when did it took place and where? And if it did, how come those apperantly non-connected streams in judaism acknowledges one another, but don't acknowledge the rest of the cults claiming to be jewish?
And another thing, zionism I can understand, but how can you explain communism's link to judaism, which its main points are complete devotion to religion, and hitbadlut?
This too is antisemite claim, because communism wasn't a jewish invention, but it was invented and implemented by people some of whom were jews, but they were extreme secular jews, who neglected their religion - and thus the talmud's intentions... ", I'm sure that didn't convinced you so you probably missed that, but anyway - what do you think?

Other subjects, you from some reason claim that judaism started in 70 A.D., again it is derived from your lack of understanding of judaism. You see, judaism had stages before it adopted its current features. Indeed 70 A.D. was thwe most dramatic switch, but the religion's basics are exactly the same. Untill 70 A.D. the holy temple existed, and the concept of concentration of god worship was valid, that meant that the religious rituals are performed only in the holy temple in jerusalem. But in 70 A.D. the second temple was burned down, and no other was built ever since. Unlike the period between 586BC-516BC, when the first temple was gone, judaism changed itself because the lack of the temple, to continue the rituals and jewish faith in order to survive as a religion without a temple, which was the only place in which they were allowed to worship god. So for example synagouges were created - to maintain judaism in foreign countries, while waiting for the messiah - return to zion and rebuilt of the temple... Since 70 A.D. god hasn't revealed to any prophet, so again judaism had to be changed to survive. You can't maintain a faith with no possibility of worship - this is the ceremonial need of the person - when it is gone, the person will look for it in other religions. But the jewish religion basically remained the same - as it did after the destruction of the first temple, those are just different stages in the evolution of religion.
OMG, Revisionist. You are really an asshole, no question about it.

First of all, what's with the stupid ballot choices - do you think you're making an impression on anyone? Well, yeah. Maybe you are - sending a message to all others that you're a schmuck.

Secondly, regarding your "facts" and protests, I have never seen anything more twisted and biased in my whole life (maybe except the protocols of the elders of Zion). Sorry to tell you this, but you're a HUGE anti-semite. Look at your own problems and don't look at someone else's.


The Talmud is the thing that has guided Jews over these years. The talmud does not proclaim violence against anyone, except for those that affect and afflict the Jews. Almost all of your comments are bilge. How can you study Zohar, Talmud, Midrash Rabbah.. when you're not even a Jew? Clearly, you'll interpret everything according to the way that your racist mind works.

Keep your stupid comments to yourself, and don't give them to anyone else.

finished your rants, yet?
A people of unfailing resolve.
In other words they kicked the shit out of like 5 Arab countries...and this right after Hitler tried to exterminate them.
See: The War of Independence (1947-49)
Yes, as the safest and gentlest way to remove the excess blood from the area, you asshole.

True, to a person like you it looks perverted, but if you would open your narrow-minded way of thinking, you might see it differently.

Any tribe that is ostentatiously ethnocentric, hordes wealth, and insults outsiders, invites hatred upon itself..
slicing a penis open?

And you hint that I'M narrow-minded?

"A non-hating person doesn't talk like you, but forgives and reconciles."

Only a blind Judeophile overlooks that which is clearly wrong with Judaism.

"How come those apparently non-connected streams in Judaism acknowledges one another, but don't acknowledge the rest of the cults claiming to be Jewish?"

It works just like an insurance policy - a limit must be placed on the number of claimants.

"It works just like an insurance policy - a limit must be placed on the number of claimants. "

Yes you aren't paranoidic at all...

"Only a blind Judeophile overlooks that which is clearly wrong with Judaism. "

only a blind anti-semite judges people by their religions' 2000 years old scripts, which he apperantly doesn't understand

"This too is anti-Semite claim, because Communism wasn't a Jewish invention..."
What? Marx was not Jewish? He was the son of a long line of rabbis."...but it was invented and implemented by people some of whom were Jews, but they were extreme secular Jews, who neglected their religion - and thus the Talmud's intentions..."

No, what you have with Communism (and socialism in general) is the left side of the kabalistic Adam Kadmon scheme. I have read the Tanya. I know what I'm talking about.

Yup. It seems as if you've read a ton of Jewish stuff. And judging b your comments, you wasted your time, because only a bigot would post what you're posting.
"Keep your stupid comments to yourself, and don't give them to anyone else."

It's a good thing you're "physics_gal" and not "psychic_gal," because as far as real insight is concerned you are a complete fraud. Don't quit your day job, okay?

Good question, but I don't know.

My family were Mormon after the US revolution and before the Civil war and they were deemed heretics by the US Army and had a $20,000 price on each of their heads. My family had to go West just to live. I don't understand that kind of hate at all.

I don't hate the Jewish, I don't know anyone who is Jewish who is someone I could hate. Two of the people who are Jewish that I know are both Cardiologists, and just like anyone else.

I am sorry for you that you were not at least given the choice. I don't pity you, so don't get me wrong, I just think it is wrong for parents to force their own ideals onto their children.

I grew up in the Mormon church, I had the choice to believe there is a god or to believe in something else. My desire to find out what I believed in gave me a great deal of experience.

I studied witchcraft, voo doo, spiritualism, religion, and came out an agnostic. I believe in a higher plane of existance, but I think that if it actually does exist it is filled with those who came before us and it is them that watch over us.

The bible is a good history book that gives you a very open eyed view into the world's social history though. Read it, it could teach you a lot about people.

"Oh yeah, and I forgot the 'mezizah.' That is where the mohel sucks a little boys penis after circumcision. Nice Huh?"

That's what it's called, all right! Perhaps this is also the origin of the term "bloodsucking Jews."

"Yes, as the safest and gentlest way to remove the excess blood from the area, you asshole.

True, to a person like you it looks perverted, but if you would open your narrow-minded way of thinking, you might see it differently."

Never heard of gauze, Violinstrangler? Perverted indeed! You people are fucking vampires.
"Actually, the safest way would be not slicing a penis open. But that probably wouldn't be an option for an 'open minded' guy like you."

Sick-minded is more like it. Excellent interjection!

"Jews are probably the fist model minority! You have to admit that!! Thousands of years of persecution made them a stronger people-- it's incredible how they've survived this long with so many people wanting to get rid of them.I have to say I am impressed."

The fist model minority ... That says a lot. Okay, I guess surviving in spite of one's own tendency for self-destruction is a pretty big deal after all. Heck, it might even be a MIRACLE!!!

Revisionist, why'd you only give me one poll choice? I want 37 like Yosi, or at lest 10 like violinmeister8x.
Asshole.

"Yup. It seems as if you've read a ton of Jewish stuff. And judging by your comments, you wasted your time, because only a bigot would post what you're posting."

Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess it takes a bigot to take Jewish bigotry to task. Takes one to know one, perhaps? Whatever, babe - I mean, judge.

"Revisionist, why'd you only give me one poll choice? I want 37 like Yosi, or at lest 10 like violinmeister8x.
Asshole."

I did it MY WAY...

That's your problem. You think that your opinion, and only your opinion, counts. And you won't listen to anyone else.
"That's your problem. You think that your opinion, and only your opinion, counts. And you won't listen to anyone else."

Why should I, when I know I'm right? Are you listening to me? Hello. Can you hear me now?

Yes I can. Stop Screaming!

At least if you were screaming sense...

"Only a blind anti-Semite judges people by their religion's 2000 years old scripts, which he apparently doesn't understand."

Is that desperation or exasperation that I hear in your voice, Yosef?

"Yes I can. Stop Screaming! At least if you were screaming sense..."

Who's screaming?

neither. Grim determination, and rightfully so.

And I don't give a damn if that comment wasn't directed towards me.

Grim determination to rule the world.
Yup. To overcome the other 98%.
"To overcome the other 98%."

Oh, you're still falling for that "helpless minority" fraud? Poor you.

"Revisionist, why would anybody listen to YOU, when you're acting as immature as a 2-year- old, by posting about 70 stupid ballot choices!?"

YOU are apparently listening.

revisionist just get to the point, if you have one. So far you've been talking in circles. Is your point that Christianity is superior to Judaism, or that Judaism is another stupid religion, or that your just a schizophrenic. Because, no offense, so far you have been mostly raving to yourself.
"Revisionist just get to the point, if you have one. So far you've been talking in circles. Is your point that Christianity is superior to Judaism, or that Judaism is another stupid religion, or that your just a schizophrenic. Because, no offense, so far you have been mostly raving to yourself."

You're paying very little attention to what I have said.

"Through one ear and out the other. Your facts are messed up, majorly. Your anti-semitism overcomes your reasoning, and you're a plain old lunatic, to most people. And I'm not even a Jew. I'm MUSLIM!"

If you're Muslim there should be a lot more anger to your tone. Frankly, I think you're lying.

Yosi, if Khazars and Sephardis are so fond of the convert to Judaism, why are not Black Jews acceptible?
"And there isn't a lot of anger to my tone, because I know you're wrong, that's why. I don't like Jews, I'll tell you that. But the stuff that you wrote are completely twisted - even we, Muslims know that. I can't speak for every Muslim but I think that what the Palestinians are doing are wrong, and that your comments about Judaism are way out of line."

Are Muslims allowed to lie? Christians are not, and I have not told one lie in this entire discourse.

"Is pedophilia natural? Is bestiality natural? Is incest natural?"

I don't know what caused you to bring upthese subjects, but since you did I will say that Judaism sanctions all of them for "Jews." Oh, and Jewish males are not to be suspected of homosexuality. The Rabbis say it doesn't happen, and that's just it.

"BTW, do you post a stupid ballot choice after EVERY comment???
That's sad."

It's no worse than the Democratic ballot for president. Kerry is a "Jew." Lieberman is a Modern Orthodox "Jew." Dean is married to a Jewess.

I would certainly like to know why, if Jewish people are likened unto God (as Judaism clearly indicates), why then are they susceptible to harm? Shouldn't "gods" be immortal?
This reveals the Holocaust(TM) Industry for what it truly is: a confidence scheme.
ok, enlighten me Revisionist...that's what your suppost to do right? So get off your high horse and give me an explanation for your ranting. Suffer me a answer. Really, that shouldn't be all that tough for you.
"So get off your high horse and give me an explanation for your ranting."

Why is my "ranting" any more intolerable than 99% of the ranting already on this site? Was Christ in your estimation a "ranter?" Am I a "ranter" for repeating and clarifying His message?

Welcome to Rantstock 2004!
3,000+ Americans died for Israel on 9-11-01 not to mention the over 500 soldiers dead in this phony war for Israel now. FIGHT TERRORISM_ DUMP ISRAEL RIGHT FUCKING NOW!
Why doesn't someone try to PROVE that I am wrong about Judaism?
so your saying you literally asked jesus what his message is, what gods message is? And you're gonna just trust some book from some unknown author who suposidly claimed he was writing the word of god?
Picture this. 13 guys secretly meet up everynight talking about some new religion, what would you automatically think about them? Would you accept their beliefs?
"3,000+ Americans died for Israel on 9-11-01 not to mention the over 500 soldiers dead in this phony war for Israel now. FIGHT TERRORISM - DUMP ISRAEL RIGHT FUCKING NOW!"

And 4000 "Jews" got the message from Odigo that they should not go to work in the towers that day, as reported in Ha'aretz.

You are correct, expect for the notion that "Jews" are Israel. No, YOU are Israel. Believe it!

"So you're saying you literally asked jesus what his message is, what god's message is? And you're gonna just trust some book from some unknown author who supposedly claimed he was writing the word of god?"

You're thinking like some of the best "Jews" I have ever come to know. "Jews" don't believe the Bible, and they don't trust God. In fact the Rabbis believe they are better than God!

"First of all, what's with the stupid ballot choices - do you think you're making an impression on anyone? Well, yeah. Maybe you are - sending a message to all others that you're a schmuck."

Schmuck? What a tremendous command you have of Yiddish, my dear. It's almost sexy! Will you marry me?

"Secondly, regarding your 'facts' and protests, I have never seen anything more twisted and biased in my whole life (maybe except the protocols of the elders of Zion). Sorry to tell you this, but you're a HUGE anti-Semite. Look at your own problems and don't look at someone else's."

These ARE my problems. They were Christ's problem. They should be everyone's problem. BTW, what's wrong with bias - when you're RIGHT?

I don't know if there is a god or not. But I do know why there are religions. Do you have a unquestionable fear that nothing happens after death? NO heaven NO hell. Poof, you die and thats it, you go nowhere, you are nothing but a memory. That is scary, but wouldn't it make you feel better that there is something to reward you after death. that you would be accepted and not alone? Humans are scared shitless about being alone, face it, you die alone. I'm not saying religions are bad, they serve a purpose, they make us feel important... something that everybody on this earth seeks, to be important, to be worth something. Religion to me is just a fallback for people to make us feel better than others.
"The Talmud is the thing that has guided Jews over these years."

Without question. It certainly has not been the Bible.

"The Talmud does not proclaim violence against anyone, except for those that affect and afflict the Jews."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! That's a good one, Physics_Gal!

"Almost all of your comments are bilge."

Please tell me, which ones strike you as being true?

"How can you study Zohar, Talmud, Midrash Rabbah... when you're not even a Jew?"

I go out to Judaica stores and I BUY THEM. I don't have to be "Jewish" to do something as simple as that.

"Clearly, you'll interpret everything according to the way that your racist mind works."

Again, I stand accused of "racism" for having merely pointed the finger at Judaic racism. What a country!

Can No One PROVE That I Am Wrong?
"The Talmud does not proclaim violence against anyone, except for those that affect and afflict the Jews."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! That's a good one, Physics_Gal!

Noahide laws, anyone? Revelation 20:4, ANYONE? Repeat after me: The Talmud is a very nice book.

The title of this ballot is very interesting, as it semms to imply that those who question Judaism will go to hell. Why, even the majority of evangelical Christians believe in this lie!
I don't think any jew knows about kabalistic Adam Kadmon scheme, especially not Marx... The thing that really frightens me is that you know it. Anyway, not everything that a single jew writes is jewish stuff, I refer both to Marx and Adam Kadmon. You can refer to the talmud, although it is out-dated, but you can't blame the judaism in everything any jew ever did.
Trellusa is me (yosi), apperantly.
"That's what it's called, all right! Perhaps this is also the origin of the term 'bloodsucking Jews.'" - your forgiveness and reconciliation is again overwhelming. This is just filthy anti-semite propeganda - raise your stendarts.
"You people are fucking vampires." - just like 14th century polish peasant. Yes humanity has progressed.
"Is that desperation or exasperation that I hear in your voice, Yosef? " -exhaustion I guess, I am probably the last man who should defend those scripts, because I'm an atheist but somehow your comments make me realize what the jews had to suffer abroad. It only made them be more devoted anyway, but in the end, people like you who still blame them for being vampires caused them to leave and settle in their own state. Zionism wes people like you a lot.
"Yosi, if Khazars and Sephardis are so fond of the convert to Judaism, why are not Black Jews acceptible? " - I guess you didn't understood my point. If you claim that khazars and sepharadians converted to judaism - and acknowledged one another, how come they didn't acknowledged any other group - just like the original jews did. Anyway, I know what black jews you're talking about, now there were two groups of jews in Ethiopia prior to 1985, the Sepharadian one immigrated and was brought to Israel, but with the other group - the Falashmoora, were christians who converted to judaism and suffered from the authorities because of that. There is an argument in Israel whether to accept them as jews or not, but in any case eventually, it seems today that they too will be brought to Israel.
Detroithatecore, how many americans died for the europeans? Why did you helped them? The battle for democracy hasn't ended in 1945, people are still being gassed and murdered by dictators - get out of your shell
"Why doesn't someone try to PROVE that I am wrong about Judaism?" - When we tried you just said things like : "No, that is not a fact. "; "Why not?"; "It does.", and instead of answering to the point you found a way to implement it so judaism will look bad in a total different area, which isn't related/connected to what we've said.
"Can No One PROVE That I Am Wrong? " - Pick one subject, and don't mix things that aren't connected. Don't quote us saying things and comment about it out of the context of what e were talking about, and then you'll be able to understand how (sane and modern - like most of us, jews) jews understand their religion.
Anonymous, I'm not sure what you want me to say about Sharon's plan. I think it's because:
a)To get media attention out of his corruption investigations.
b)To ensure that Israel won't lose its numerical superiority in the areas it will rule, if the Palestinian Authority disappear.
c)To lower the pressure on IDF, whose mission is to protect Israeli citinzens anywhere - it'll be easier if the settlers won't be in heavily populated gaza strip.
There is also a theory in Israel that the palestinians won't let Israel withdraws to lines it'll dictate without agreement, because miliatarily they can't match Israel anyway so they'll have to agree to Israel's lines, because practically they won't be able to change that. Gaza's withdrawal is almost a concenzus in the Israeli society - so this plan can start there.

Oh and because the palestinian won't agree to one-sided withdrawl they'll be forced to come back to the negotiation table...
The concenzus in the Israeli society is that in future 2-countries agreement with the palestinian authority, Gaza shouldn't be kept under Israel rule.
Now, you see anonymous, what I'm trying to say to the revisionist is that most of the jews, don't follow blindly after ancient religion writings, and they are logical and human people like the rest of the modern world. Israelis understand that in 2 countries solution, under the current path, Gaza and some parts of Israel won't stay in Jewish hands. Many religious and devoted people accept this principal too, but there will always be extreme groups that won't. Anyway, Sharon's proposal is far from being concenzus because:
a)The palestinians will probably interpert it as a surrender to their terror - and be encouraged to maintain the violent way - because it got them actual Israeli withdrawal.
b) It seems like Israel gives up for nothing, the palestinians won't be required to give up an inch in their demands, and in any future neant anymore - so we practically will lose credit for giving up on Gaza.
c) According to the one sided solution, Israel won't be able to fight terror on its own, and the security of Israel will be in the hands of palestinians, which probably won't do anything about it. There is always the fear of rockets and mortar bombs on Tel-Aviv from the west bank if IDF won't prevent the developement of such weapons there. In gaza when IDF presence isn't as it is on the west bank cities, those rockets are already being shot at Israeli cities inside the green line.

"I don't think any Jew knows about kabalistic Adam Kadmon scheme..."

Not any "Jew," Yosi? You must be delirious. So explain to me how Rabbi Isaac Luria Ashkenazi, the inventor of Lurianic kabbalah, is not a "Jew."

"...especially not Marx... The thing that really frightens me is that you know it."

The "left-center-right" placement of individuals and issues is a kabalistic application. And just why does my knowledge of it frighten you? Why do I get the sense that you would rather keep the truth hidden? My religion tells I will know the truth and that the truth will set me free.

"Anyway, not everything that a single Jew writes is Jewish stuff. I refer both to Marx and Adam Kadmon."

No, Yosi. It's all a part of what we call Judaica.

"You can refer to the Talmud, although it is out-dated, but you can't blame the Judaism in everything any jew ever did."

Yes, as a book of "law," the Talmud is hopelessly outdated. But Judaism is based upon the Talmud. Without Talmud it is not Judaism, although it resonates from Talmud.

"'That's what it's called, all right! Perhaps this is also the origin of the term 'bloodsucking Jews.' - your forgiveness and reconciliation is again overwhelming. This is just filthy anti-Semite propaganda. Raise your standards."

The mohel is Jewish. He sucks the blood from the lacerated penis. What part of "bloodsucking Jew" don't you understand, Yosi?

"'You people are fucking vampires.' - just like 14th century Polish peasant. Yes, humanity has progressed."

The Talmud proclaims that Gentiles are animals. We are not human. According to the legend, vampires suck blood. So, what part of "bloodsucking Jew" don't you understand, Yosi?

"'Is that desperation or exasperation that I hear in your voice, Yosef?' -exhaustion I guess..."

Same thing.

"I am probably the last man who should defend those scripts, because I'm an atheist..."
Judaism welcomes "atheists." Judaism is not about faith, per se, but about racial supremacy.

"...but somehow your comments make me realize what the Jews had to suffer abroad."

Always "suffering." Wah! Oy vey!

"It only made them be more devoted anyway, but in the end, people like you who still blame them for being vampires caused them to leave and settle in their own state."

Devoted to what, Yosi? Your "race," that's what.

"'Yosi, if Khazars and Sephardis are so fond of the convert to Judaism, why are not Black Jews acceptible?' - I guess you didn't understood my point. If you claim that Khazars and Sepharadians converted to Judaism - and acknowledged one another, how come they didn't acknowledge any other group - just like the original Jews did."

Why do Khazars accept the teaching of Moses Maimonides, a Sephardic rabbi considered the "greatest" in Judaism?

"Anyway, I know what Black Jews you're talking about. Now there were two groups of Jews in Ethiopia prior to 1985. The Sepharadian one immigrated and was brought to Israel, but with the other group - the Falashmoora, were Christians who converted to Judaism and suffered from the authorities because of that. There is an argument in Israel whether to accept them as Jews or not, but in any case eventually, it seems today that they too will be brought to Israel."

To face more persecution head on, right? Admit it, Yosi - "Jews" are hung up on the idea of race.

"'Why doesn't someone try to PROVE that I am wrong about Judaism?' - When we tried you just said things like: 'No, that is not a fact.'; 'Why not?'; 'It does.'"

What else do you want?

"...and instead of answering to the point you found a way to implement it so Judaism will look bad in a total different area, which isn't related/connected to what we've said."

Yosi, the Rabbis are the kings of neuroticism and non-sequitur. So, I really don't see a basis for your complaint.

"Oh, and because the Palestinians won't agree to a one-sided withdrawal they'll be forced to come back to the negotiation table..."

Let's be honest, Yosi. The "peace process" as the Israelis view it is simply war by other means.

"Now, you see, Anonymous, what I'm trying to say to the Revisionist is that most of the Jews, don't follow blindly after ancient religious writings, and they are logical and human people like the rest of the modern world."

We are all unwitting victims of the Rabbis. The only difference is that your people stand to benefit from it, while mine do not.

"Anyway, Sharon's proposal is far from being concensus because:
a)The Palestinians will probably interpert it as a surrender to their terror - and be encouraged to maintain the violent way - because it got them actual Israeli withdrawal."

No such thing as Israeli violence or terror, is there, Yosi? What a loon.

I'm ignoring YOU, Anonymous - or is that Ignoramus?
Ariel Sharon wears women's underwear.
"Not any 'Jew,' Yosi? You must be delirious. So explain to me how Rabbi Isaac Luria Ashkenazi, the inventor of Lurianic kabbalah, is not a 'Jew.' "

Well, you see, this is called sarcasem. My point is if you really missed it, is that there are so many independent jewish thinkers, but the judaism isn't relating to each and every one of them, but these are still considered jewish writings. When you want to attack judaism - attack the mainstream, you won't find the real intentions of the jews in such writings, that I'm not sure that they are accepted, and if it is, so it is merely interpetation of single person on jewish values and thought.

"And just why does my knowledge of it frighten you? Why do I get the sense that you would rather keep the truth hidden?"
Well, it frightens me because I, and I'm sure that a lot of much better jews than me, don't know what you're talking about. Kabala has no important role in judaism, not as the Tora, Mishna and even the talmud. So again, you're attacking jews with something that I'm sure only a few of them know.

"No, Yosi. It's all a part of what we call Judaica"
Yes, pay attention to YOUR words Judaica isn't Judaism, but it is a collection of jewish related writings, made not by those who determined how judaism will be.

"Yes, as a book of 'law,' the Talmud is hopelessly outdated. But Judaism is based upon the Talmud. Without Talmud it is not Judaism, although it resonates from Talmud. "
Well, you've lost your right to get an exact explanation of why and what were the intentions of the talmud. The jewish people over the years kept the real intentions of the talmud but modernized it, according to the values of their current society. That is even applies to orthodox jews, that for example don't implement the noahide law that you talked about so much. I thin that if they were, I would at least hear about it.

"The mohel is Jewish. He sucks the blood from the lacerated penis. What part of 'bloodsucking Jew' don't you understand, Yosi?"
I don't know about you but in my Brith, the mohel used the proper and modern materials to prevent infection and bleeding.

"The Talmud proclaims that Gentiles are animals. We are not human. According to the legend, vampires suck blood. So, what part of 'bloodsucking Jew' don't you understand, Yosi? "
You see, I progressed because I don't call you an animal according to my religion, but you can't disconnect from your perceptions, that are very close to that 14th centuri polish peasant.

""'Is that desperation or exasperation that I hear in your voice, Yosef?' -exhaustion I guess..."

Same thing. " - I feel much better now, as you can see I adopted your method, and try not to bring it to all-jewish context, it's just me.

"Judaism welcomes 'atheists.' Judaism is not about faith, per se, but about racial supremacy."

Even a jewish atheist person like me, that in other forums attacks judaism, understands that the racial superiority isn't what this religion is about. Those who said so, just meant that the jews won't integrate and assimilate - and thus lose their faith. The bible too, wants to get the same, but it doesn't relate to any jewish supremacy, but brings stories about sinners who neglected god and were punished by him. By the time of the talmud, in order to make that point - don't abandon god they used those kind of stuff, but be sure that no sane jew thinks he's superior, and it wasn't the intention of the talmud. After the destruction of the second temple, judaism never accepted any god releavations, so the talmud had to use another method than the bible (I personnaly think they're both incorrect), but anyway for the cause - keeping the jewish faith alive.

"Devoted to what, Yosi? Your 'race,' that's what."
no it's about their jewish faith, read the above comment again.

"Why do Khazars accept the teaching of Moses Maimonides, a Sephardic rabbi considered the 'greatest' in Judaism?"
I think you should explain it. I'll just say that they are both jews. You should explain how those 2 jewish groups acknowledged each other, while their religion imposes them such strict definition to who is a jew - how come the khazars accepted this different race of arab berber deceandants? And if they did accepted non-original jewish group, why don't they accept other groups like that? After all non of them supposed to be real original-jews

"To face more persecution head on, right? Admit it, Yosi - "Jews" are hung up on the idea of race."

What are you talking about? 'Black jews' are accepted as jews, but there is a disputable group, that we aren't sure if they're connected to the jewish people.

"Was Jesus Khazar or a Sephardi?"

No, because the Shephardic sect of Judaism wasn't created until they were dispersed from Judea and Sumaria by the Romans. Jesus predicted that would happen, remember? He was as Jewish as Einstien retard.


The destruction of Jerusalem and the dispersal of the Jews was in 70 A.D. - the A.D. clearly indicating Jesus was not dead yet. Jews had several sects - I think Jesus was a a Levite, but that is one thing I'm not sure on. I do know the Shpeardic(sp?) Jews were not created until AFTER they were sent out from their homeland by the Romans due to racism, corruption, and greed. If the Romans had religion then it would have been better for all of us today.

"I doubt the dogmatic 6 million number , and the wild tales of persecution, and for that exercise of religious freedom I am deemed a heretic. This is some country."

Tell you what, lets take this offline - you meet me at Union Station in DC - name the date and time. I will take you on a tour of the Holcaust Museam and you can tell me all those pictures and artifacts are fake if you can kick my ass afterward. Seeing that shit with me in your pressence would change your mind, and you'll be glad it did too, cuz if anybody could walk out of that shit with his held high to be a human being I'd whip his ass and do my time with a smile.

No shit some country. MY country which YOU live in, KID, has a lot of immigrants including Jews who work very hard to make this a GREAT country. Creating division here is easy but really fucked up. If you are going to spread lies then you should back them up, right?

I'm tired of you. Let's take this shit offline asshole - meet me at UNION STATION - back it up.

"What else do you want?" - Real arguement.
"Let's be honest, Yosi. The 'peace process' as the Israelis view it is simply war by other means. "

In judaism you can win because of my basic opinion, but not about the conflict.
If you want honesty, try to check Camp-David just before the palestinians headed for war, the peace process could have ended there, but Arafat erjected the compromises, and thought he could get more compromises by breaking the spirit of Israeli society thru terror. Even before the Intifada at Tabba and Sharem there were Israeli attempts to finalize the peace agreement, but it was too late for us. Arafat had decided, that the negotiations can only progress if the Israelis will surrender to his terror.Now, for which side does war is considered as part of the peace process?

"We are all unwitting victims of the Rabbis. The only difference is that your people stand to benefit from it, while mine do not."
Yes the paranoia. I guess I could say the same about anti-semite popes anyway, but I'm not paranoic so I didn't researched deeply about this issue.

"Muslims had no problem with AMERICANS until we sided with Israel."

If you are going to give up the Israeli's democracy to save your own you are a fucking coward. Step out of the way and let people with balls take charge!

Go be French.

"No such thing as Israeli violence or terror, is there, Yosi? What a loon. "

Even if there is unjustified Israeli violnece, Israel will not withdraw and stand up against those who seek to destroy it. I won't let you escape that by saying that I'm paranoidic, so I'll say it also related to those who SAY that they want to destroy it (Hamas, Islamic jihad, and even Arafat)

"Ariel Sharon wears women's underwear. "

You have reached the peak, you can now retire.

I have considered the entire spectrum of Judaism, Yosi. Ultra-Orthodox Judaism is the worst. It makes very little sense to attack the so-called "mainstream" because the problem begins with the Orthodox. The "mainstream" merely represents a resonance of Orthodox doctrine.
"Well, it frightens me because I, and I'm sure that a lot of much better Jews than me, don't know what you're talking about. Kabala has no important role in Judaism, not as the Tora, Mishna and even the Talmud. So again, you're attacking Jews with something that I'm sure only a few of them know."

If they are "better" Jews than you, Yosi, then chances are you are among the few who are ignorant of Kabbalah.

"Torah," in Judaism, is certainly not the Bible alone. In fact, the Bible takes a distant back seat to the writings that followed it. Do you not still call yourselves "The People of the Book?" For your and others' information, that book is Talmud, Midrash Rabbah, Zohar, all of which come under the umbrella of "Torah."
"The Jewish people over the years kept the real intentions of the Talmud but modernized it, according to the values of their current society."

Oh, so now it goes from being an outdated, unimportant book to being the backbone of "Jewish" civilization? Unwittingly, you make my point for me, Yosi.

"That even applies to Orthodox Jews, that for example don't implement the Noahide law that you talked about so much. I think that if they were, I would at least hear about it."

The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Noahide laws in legislation which was passed by both houses. Congress and the President of the United States, George H.W. Bush, in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress. Your inability to follow current events is not my responsibility.

"I don't know about you but in my Brith, the mohel used the proper and modern materials to prevent infection and bleeding."

You've come a long way, baby! But how do you know. You were only 8 days old. Did your parents take photos?

"You see, I progressed because I don't call you an animal according to my religion, but you can't disconnect from your perceptions, that are very close to that 14th-century Polish peasant."

Whether you call me an animal or not is not the point, Yosi. The problem is that I cannot read your mind. Besides, actions speak louder than words.

And the actions Zionist Jews take against innocent Palestinian civilians, not to mention certain comments by Zionist leaders, give us all a view to the truth about the Jewish mentality.
"After the destruction of the second temple, Judaism never accepted any God revelations..."
Judaism had no hope of receiving any further revelation. Yahweh had abandoned them for the Church of Jesus Christ.

"...so the Talmud had to use another method than the Bible (I personnaly think they're both incorrect), but anyway for the cause - keeping the Jewish faith alive."

Faith? What faith? You, by your own admission, are an atheist. Or are you?

"'Devoted to what, Yosi? Your 'race,' that's what.'

No, it's about their Jewish faith, read the above comment again."

Faith in exactly WHAT, Yosi? Answer the question please.

"After all none of them are supposed to be real, original Jews."

I think we have a breakthrough here.

"Jesus predicted that would happen, remember?"

But of course.

"He was as Jewish as Einstien, retard."

It's spelled Einstein, retard, and Einstein was a Khazar - an imposter Jew.

"...the A.D. clearly indicating Jesus was not dead yet."

My, what a retarded assertion. Jesus was crucified in 33 A.D.

"I will take you on a tour of the Holocaust Museum and you can tell me all those pictures and artifacts are fake if you can kick my ass afterward."
Oh, what's the use, Jedi? You know I'll just turn the other cheek - that is unless you cut me down with your trusty light saber.
"Seeing that shit with me in your presence would change your mind..."

Shit? Okay, shit it is then.

"...and you'll be glad it did too, cuz if anybody could walk out of that shit..."
Definitely shit.

"...with his held high to be a human being I'd whip his ass and do my time with a smile."

Is it your life's goal to become a righteous gentile or just a rebel without a cause?

You cannot back up lies, Jedi. This is the truth and it stands on its own. Live with it.
"'What else do you want?' - Real argument."

Oh, come on, Yosi. You just want an argument that is no argument; an argument you can win. But that's just what you have given me. I extend to you my thanks for this. :)

"The peace process could have ended there, but Arafat rejected the compromises, and thought he could get more compromises by breaking the spirit of Israeli society thru terror."

He knew his own people wouch lynch him if he accepted that series of disconnected bantustans. The "peace process" is PSYCHOLOGICAL warfare.

WOULD lynch him, that is.
"Yes, the paranoia. I guess I could say the same about anti-Semite popes anyway, but I'm not paranoid so I didn't research deeply about this issue."

If Judaism were to outlaw Christianity, how would that benefit me, Yosi? How is that not a form of totalitarianism?

"You cannot back up lies, Jedi."

Jesus was a Jew. Don't like it? Fuck yourself. You can play word games and everything else but it doesn't change the fact he was. It is YOU who does not recognize reality and you could not and would not face me in real life because you are a coward, which makes me MAD. I HATE COWARDS. Why? They cause FUD - Fear Uncertainty Denial.

Cowards are the worst Americans there are because they make others around them afriad to act.

Cowards prevent true justice.

Cowards die a thousand deaths.

Don't let your pussified heart get in a tizzy - I'm not comming after you. But if you want to see who is right and who is wrong about the Holocaust you come to Union Station - it is across from the Capitol Building. I'll put your money where your mouth is and show you why your bullshit is destructive to freedom.

"I fully condemn the Holocaust and there was no reason Hitler must be praised for not finishing it..."

And exactly where did I praise Hitler, Gandhi? From what you wrote, you seem to condemn him for NOT finishing the Holocaust(TM), while I maintain that as a holocaust against "Jews" it never really began. Sure, "Jews" got a hard time. But World War II, as a whole, was a holocaust for EVERYONE involved, not just "Jews."

"...the A.D. clearly indicating Jesus was not dead yet."

My, what a retarded assertion. Jesus was crucified in 33 A.D.


Whatever dude. He was dead by 70 A.D. He predicted the fall of Jerusalem and if you don't want to acknowledge the truth about him you're playing a game. Others may think you are a cute critter but I was born with a serious lack of sense of humor for idiots like you. What you need to do is crawl back into your Nazi hole and learn to suck yourself off.

Your mother proabably whored herself to Jews and that is why you hate them. Whatever the reason, you are a hater of one sort or another that thinks his problems lie outside of himself.

Dude, you have problems. Everybody here can see that.

"Don't let your pussified heart get in a tizzy..."

Oh, no, never.

"I'm not coming after you. But if you want to see who is right and who is wrong about the Holocaust, you come to Union Station. It is across from the Capitol Building.

I know where the taxpayer-funded National Synagogue/House of Horror is. I'll see it some day.

"I'll put your money where your mouth is and show you why your bullshit is destructive to freedom."

The truth sets me free, Jedi - not your machismo bullshit. Thanks anyway.

"Whatever, dude."

Yeah, "whatever." Nice come back, Webyahoodi.

"He was dead by 70 A.D."

No, He is still alive - in spirit.

"He predicted the fall of Jerusalem and if you don't want to acknowledge the truth about him you're playing a game."

Okay, so what?

"Others may think you are a cute critter but I was born with a serious lack of sense of humor for idiots like you."

And this is my problem?

"What you need to do is crawl back into your Nazi hole and learn to suck yourself off."

That's really cute, Jedi. You're gathering admirers by the second with your staggering logic.

"Your mother proabably whored herself to Jews and that is why you hate them."

There was a male "Jewish" ancestor a while back, but I don't care. It doesn't make me "Jewish." Even if it did I wouldn't care.

"Whatever the reason, you are a hater of one sort or another that thinks his problems lie outside of himself."

Ooh, stunning insight!

"Dude, you have problems. Everybody here can see that."

Whatever, dude.

Kabala is a seperate field in judaism. The orthodox has nothing to do with that. The talmud was the mainstream thousand years ago, that I can accept but Kabala was never considered as basic or integral part of judaism.
Ryusausen wrote: "It was the Jews who persecuted the greatest Jew of all -Jesus."

Jesus simply was not the greatest "Jew." Clearly, Ariel Sharon is.

"For countless years Jews don't believe in Christ but they believe in God - such irony huh?"

The irony of it is that, for most "Jews," "God" is the Jewish people themselves - their "race," their blood. But, as you said, not all "Jews" are the same - just most of them.

"'Torah,' in Judaism, is certainly not the Bible alone. In fact, the Bible takes a distant back seat to the writings that followed it. Do you not still call yourselves 'The People of the Book?' For your and others' information, that book is Talmud, Midrash Rabbah, Zohar, all of which come under the umbrella of 'Torah.' "

Again you are starting to display ignorance. Torah according to judaism are the first 5 books in our bible, and they were written by god. we call the bible - T.N.K. Torah, Nevi'im Ktuvim - those are the titles of the codes which the bible contain. Now, only the Torah is written by god and it and only it has the greatest importance in judaism. The rest of the bible and the Mishna and Talmud... are Halacha - how practically jews should act, according to what the Torah say (Halacha doesn't include the rest of the bible, but those codes have much holier place then other books)

"Oh, so now it goes from being an outdated, unimportant book to being the backbone of "Jewish" civilization? Unwittingly, you make my point for me, Yosi. "

Well if your point is that you have problem understanding judaism, believe me it is already proven. Now, we jews don't throw or burn books which are irrelevant, but adopt their intentions and principals to the modern values/world. The orthodox streams in fact can't say that those books are unimportant or irrelevant, but they simply don't follow the orders which are outdated there.

"Kabala is a separate field in Judaism. The Orthodox has nothing to do with that."

What? Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liady had nothing with Kabbalah? Well, that's certainly news.

"The Talmud was the mainstream a thousand years ago..."

As it is today, albeit virtually in secret.

"That I can accept. But Kabala was never considered as basic or integral part of Judaism."

Kabbalah is the second of the twin pillars of the new Judaic temple, the other of which is Talmud. Talmud is for the legalistic tendency, while Kabbalah is for the liberal, New Age mentality. Judaism has something for everyone, and the path to hell is broad.

"Whether you call me an animal or not is not the point, Yosi. The problem is that I cannot read your mind. Besides, actions speak louder than words. "

If all anti-semites were like you... They usually thought that what's going on jew's mind is worse then action - action which he never did, but to be safe, lets just kill him.

Why don't just concede victory, Yosi? I have no problem understanding Judaism above and beyond the great hoodwink. For an atheist, I really don't understand your staunch defense of the religion. But that's the extent of my confusion.
"And the actions Zionist Jews take against innocent Palestinian civilians, not to mention certain comments by Zionist leaders, give us all a view to the truth about the Jewish mentality. "

I guess Hitler's actions reveal us the nature of christianity's nature... Oops, that doesn't work that way. But try again

"If all anti-Semites were like you...

They usually thought that what's going on in a Jew's mind is worse than action - action which he never did, but to be safe, let's just kill him."

If my goal was to truly understand the Jewish mentality, which it is, well, then, murder is quite obviously anathema.

"What? Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liady had nothing with Kabbalah? Well, that's certainly news. "

You really have a problem of understanding, forget judaism, me: Don't relate to individual people, one can't represent the mainstream, not all what one rabbi believes, do all the jews believe.

"I guess Hitler's actions reveal to us the nature of Christianity."
This is schizophrenia on parade! All of these people say that Jesus was a "Jew," yet they and many "Jews" think it is correct to blame Christianity for Hitler! Talk about nutty.
"Faith? What faith? You, by your own admission, are an atheist. Or are you? "

Jewish faith, that there is only one god.
Anyway I'm just lucky that I got to the jewish state's time, because I would probably abandon this faith, but I don't think that Hitler would mind...

"Again you are starting to display ignorance."

I think you are ignorant when it comes to Judaism, Yosi, and that's not surprising for a self-described atheist. No, the Soncino contains the actual definition of "Torah" as it concerns Judaism. "Torah" is the ENTIRE tradition - oral as well as written.

"This is schizophrenia on parade! All of these people say that Jesus was a 'Jew,' yet they and many "Jews" think it is correct to blame Christianity for Hitler! Talk about nutty. "
Apperantly you didn't catch the sarcastic part of that comment. I'm not sure now if you are imposing what you think is judasim values on my leader or the other way around.

"Apparantly you didn't catch the sarcastic part of that comment. I'm not sure now if you are imposing what you think is Judaism's values on my leader or the other way around."

I think I did, but it doesn't really matter. Pope Pius X, and Christianity by extension, is generally viewed as a causal factor to the supposed Holocaust(TM) of "Jews," anyway.

I think you're ignorant when it comes to hebrew, the language from which you need to understand judaism completely. Torah isn't just the name of the first code of books in the bible, it also describes theories, equivalent to logy in Theology - Torat haemona.
Now, the oral traditions and theology are called Torah Shebealpe. About the others I never heard someone includes them all as Torah - in 'logi'c way, but neither as Torah in the first meaning, so I don't think you understood.

"Jewish faith, that there is only one god."

Yes, and that "god" is Jewish blood, which obtains (or finds its "pinnacle") in the shape of the rabbinate. The Rabbis are for all intents and purposes "god." And that's the way it is with Judaism.

No, I understand what constitutes "Torah," Yosi. The Soncino Edition Talmud makes it very plain. This isn't even debatable.
"Yes, and that 'god' is Jewish blood, which obtains (or finds its 'pinnacle') in the shape of the rabbinate. The Rabbis are for all intents and purposes 'god.' And that's the way it is with Judaism. "

I think your god too is the jewish blood, and you would be happy to see him in the streets of cities, and especially in the holy land.

"Jewish faith, that there is only one god.
Anyway I'm just lucky that I got to the Jewish state's time, because I would probably abandon this faith, but I don't think that Hitler would mind..."

Are you an atheist or a talmid, Yosi. I think you need to make up your mind. BTW, Hitler wasn't really that concerned with Jewish ritual. But as it is for "Jews," it was all about race for him.

"No, I understand what constitutes 'Torah,' Yosi. The Soncino Edition Talmud makes it very plain. This isn't even debatable. "

Well I have to admit that I completely lost touch with my religion as you know it. Either I don't understand what it means or I don't know it or you just invented it but 'Soncino Edition Talmud' doesn't say anything to me or to any other jew I guess. We all act according to the values that I described countless times over the last days. You can accept it or not, but don't blame most of the jews by following something they never heard of.

"it was all about race for him. "

You're right, that's why Israel should have been formed - to allow people escape their destiny which was doomed once they were born to jewish parents.

"I think your god too is the Jewish blood..."

Eh? Your blood is no different from the blood of a goy.

"...and you would be happy to see him in the streets of cities, and especially in the holy land."

Oh, there you go again, crying wolf as you are usually wont. I don't want to kill "Jews," Yosi. I want to see them become Christians.

"That's why Israel should have been formed - to allow people escape their destiny which was doomed once they were born to Jewish parents."

BS, Yosi. Even if there was such a "destiny" for people born to "Jewish" parents, there is no escaping destiny. That's what makes it destiny.

Well you certainly strenghened my atheism. I see what religion does to someone like you.
By the way, if you want jews to listen to you, you should probably delete the (TM) when you talk about the holocaust - It'll kinda scare your crowd
"We all act according to the values that I described countless times over the last days. You can accept it or not, but don't blame most of the Jews by following something they never heard of."

Perhaps you are a rare breed among "most Jews." Have I blamed you? No. I blame the religion as separate from the people who choose to follow it. That is my focus.

"BS, Yosi. Even if there was such a 'destiny' for people born to 'Jewish' parents, there is no escaping destiny. That's what makes it destiny. "

Lets put the arguement about the dterminism of the destiny aside, and let me ask you this:
Even without the threat of racial cleansing in the gola, do you really think jews can stand such attacks on their religion? The best place to defend their faith is a country of their own anyway, but your kind didn't succeded in the past, when jews didn't have another choice.

"By the way, if you want Jews to listen to you, you should probably delete the (TM) when you talk about the Holocaust. It'll kinda scare your crowd."

Well, if they're scared they're listening anyway. I put the (TM) after Holocaust because of two erroneous perceptions: 1 - That "Jews" were the only holocaust victims of WWII, and 2 - That WWII was fought on behalf of "Jews" and either their extinction or survival. I reject both.

"Perhaps you are a rare breed among 'most Jews.' Have I blamed you? No. I blame the religion as separate from the people who choose to follow it. That is my focus. "

Firstly, I think that with your attitude, I probably know many more jews than you.
Secondly, your problem is to attach the edges of the religion to its main ideals and target. That's the people who make the religion, not the other way around, and currently, there are not many actual jews who want to make the religion look like you presented it.

"Even without the threat of racial cleansing in the gola, do you really think Jews can stand such attacks on their religion?"

Can Christianity withstand attack? There is not a "Christian" country in the world that does not have its share of "Jews," and other religions. Besides, a string religion should welcome challenges. Judaism is not a strong religion. Rather, it is a house of cards.

"Well, if they're scared they're listening anyway. I put the (TM) after Holocaust because of two erroneous perceptions: 1 - That 'Jews' were the only holocaust victims of WWII, and 2 - That WWII was fought on behalf of 'Jews' and either their extinction or survival. I reject both."

You should explain them that not use the TM, because those who listen to you anyway, will leave eventually.
I reject those 2 either, the first one, you can see on Ballot #2422 if I'm not mistaken - late on January, but the second one, I think it is your invention, WWII wasn't to save the jews. That is just stupid.

"...there are not many actual Jews who want to make the religion look like you presented it."

Well, if those were my practices, I think I'd want to keep them hidden too.

"I reject those two also..."

So why does not the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC deal with the Allied bombing of Dresden or the atomic bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Those were literal holocausts - death by fire.

No, the general perception is that "Jews" were the only important victims of WWII.

"Can Christianity withstand attack? There is not a 'Christian' country in the world that does not have its share of 'Jews,' and other religions. Besides, a string religion should welcome challenges. Judaism is not a strong religion. Rather, it is a house of cards. "

Do you really don't understand my point, I'll make it clearer - when a jewish community lives among a majority of christians, it's a problem for them to stand those attacks. Now you can't deny that situation like this had occured practically everywhere before Israel. But about the state of their own, Israel has a minority of muslims christians and others in it of about 20 percent, and no one tries to attack their religion. Even in today's newspaper a letter from a muslim girl to Sharon was published and in it she specifically asked to stay under Israeli, or jewish if you wish, sovergnity.

"Well, if those were my practices, I think I'd want to keep them hidden too. "

If you're the one who should turn us to christians, I would advise your boss to keep you hidden as well.

"So why does not the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC deal with the Allied bombing of Dresden or the atomic bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Those were literal holocausts - death by fire.

No, the general perception is that "Jews" were the only important victims of WWII. "

The holocaust is a seperate episode of the peroid of WWII, Nobody says the holocaust is more important, both events gave humanity plenty of stuff to think about.

And by the way, why have you stopped counting and voting your comments on my words?
"Even if there is unjustified Israeli violence..."

If?

"...Israel will not withdraw and will stand up against those who seek to destroy it."

And in the process destroy it themselves.

"I won't let you escape that by saying that I'm paranoid, so I'll say it is also related to those who SAY that they want to destroy it (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and even Arafat)."

Why is it that my supposed paranoia is the more ridiculous? A lot of this "terror" is either committed or initiated by Israelis against their own people!

Welcome to the Jewish mentality.

"And by the way, why have you stopped counting and voting your comments on my words?"

I'm not here to vote, Yosi. I'm here to get a message out to people.

"If you're the one who should turn us to Christians, I would advise your boss to keep you hidden as well."

Apparently, Yosi, He does not need your advice.

"And in the process destroy it themselves. " - I didn't know you care... well anyway leave Israel's protection to Israel
"Apparently, Yosi, He does not need your advice."

Well, he'll have to explain to the management why you failed... just trying to help there.

About the letter, it's very likely a fabrication. Either way, that kind of thing only sways the stupid among us.
"Why is it that my supposed paranoia is the more ridiculous? A lot of this "terror" is either committed or initiated by Israelis against their own people! "

Words of wisdom indeed (sarcasem)

"About the letter, it's very likely a fabrication. "

Yes, you exposed us, we jews fabricate little muslims letter to survive (again sarcasem)

"Well, he'll have to explain to the management why you failed... Just trying to help there."

I failed because I haven't converted you? No, we all have free will, Yosi. You do what you want.

"I failed because I haven't converted you? No, we all have free will, Yosi. You do what you want. "

I think that everybody else has left, and I'm the only one who listens to you, so you pretty much failed. But try again, much greater then you have failed over the years.

"Yes, you exposed us, we Jews fabricate little Muslim's letter to survive (again sarcasm)."

You slay me, Yosi. No, I like to emphasize what I call the "incredulity factor." It is how cryptocrats get away with the most egregious things - like 911. Most people are suckers.

Jews are just another tribe vying to promote their genetic continuation. They had a big setback in WW2 but are now regrouping.
revisionist...can you fucking say it in english
Revisionist:

Do you think your psuedo-intellectual arguments impress anyone but Jew-haters who already are willing to snap up any bit of half-truth that lends itself to their paranoid delusions of Jews from outer space controlling our minds?


If anyone listens to a person like you who is willing to make shit up left and right just to promote an hate-borne fundementalist view of the world and the people in it they don't have the logic circuits for democracy. In other words patriotism requires more thinking than you are capable of.

Therefore you can take your facist ideas of how you are going to help run the world with your pathetic hate campaign and shove 'em up your ass. The real question is why the hell you hate Jews SO much that you don't even accept facts. It is one thing to be a biggot or Jew-hater, it is another thing to hold on to it like it's the only thing you have in the world.

Revisionist,tell us all what you admire or respect about Judaism and the Jewish diaspora.
Revisionist is sorry that the Diaspora didn't eradicate the Jews completely like he hoped it would.
Given that there was no "holocaust" as such until after 1967, when the term spread through the Jewish media, and given that the six-million figure is dismissed outright by respected historians, and given that gas-chamber theories are unacceptably unsupported by actual evidence, and given that the Jewish controlled media and film industry have had sixty-odd years to spread their anti-German propaganda to the world, and given that Jews were responsible for the deaths of 30 millions Russians and Ukrainians (not to mention their current treatment of the Arabs), then the Jewish victim-story is a bit shakey to say the least. Still, no doubt I'm an 'anti-Semite' (a ridiculously misapplied term, considering that most Jews are not biologically of Semitic origin - unlike the Palestinians). Well, it's hardly surprising to hear Jewish lobby groups resort to name-calling tactics - they've got nothing else going for them!
I have a question for all bestandworst members: Is everyone as stupid as Guest084?

I sure hope not.

Because a whole shitload of them didnt get gassed.
I believe people hate Jews because a small segment of the Jewish community called Orthodox Jews are uptight,closeminded isolationists.Orthodox Jews want nothing to do with anybody who is not Jewish.They stick strictly to there own neighborhoods and shun "outsiders".
Jews have little peckers
I don't hate jews just because they're jews; my philosophy is not to prejudge people. But what they're doing in the middle east just makes me sick. Putting up walls to stop terrorism? C'mon already, all it's doing is fueling the fire of hatred towards them. Working towards peace is the only answer and I really wish they'd try. I wish the United States would also take a serious look at the situation there and compare it to their own foreign policy against terrorism.
If you killed a Jew and ate him....would you then do a Jew poo? Or would you spew Jew?
There must be a reason that 90 percent of the world hates Jews. They control the world through proxy, they killed Jesus and brag about it as being the only race who killed a deity, the biggest war benefactor in history is the Jew Dick Cheney, their religion teaches them that they are to enslave all other races, the Goyim or whatever, and they say that they are "Gods chosen people". Those sound like pretty good reasons to not trust them to me.
"A lot of Americans hate Jews because of our aid to Israel. Our aid to Israel pisses the Muslims off - that is why all the Muslim terrorists hate us. Unfortunately, our aid of Israel led to the deaths of thousands of Americans on 9/11/01." How do you remember to breathe in and out several thousand times a day, when you're obviously so utterly moronic?
"A lot of Americans hate Jews because of our aid to Israel. Our aid to Israel pisses the Muslims off - that is why all the Muslim terrorists hate us. Unfortunately, our aid of Israel led to the deaths of thousands of Americans on 9/11/01. "

What about the aid to the british and soviets that lead America to war with Hitler? How many Americans died there? The defender of democracies role didn't ended in WWII, and the aid for Israel was to counter massive Soviet aid to the arabs. Don't use double standarts with Israel and remember who is your real enemies - US has right to support Israel, the Arabs don't have the right to protest that by killing thousands of innocent Americans.

Yosi get a life (and your own land while your at it.
Jew-Controlled Hollywood is ANTI-WHITE

Look at the Matrix

The problem, anonymous, is that the potential suicide bomber HAS things that he can do, to fight Israel. What he does is killing himself and taking with him some Israelis, due to promises of heaven, 72 virgins and stuff like that. When this possibility doesn't exist = effective job done by the wall and IDF, maybe the Palestinians will understand that the only way that they could have a better life is to negotiate and make compromises with Israel. What suicide bombers do, is only cause suffering to their own people, which is caused by the legitimate measures of self defense taken by Israel, against that phenomenon. The incursions to the cities, the checkpoints, targeted killing, the wall and even the building leveling is to prevent any opportunity to hurt innocent Israelis. About the creation of more suicide bombers, the assumption in Israel is that terror organizations will always plan more suicide attacks, and Israel's actions doesn't effect that, because as you said, the ultimate goal of terror is to end the occupation - and they view it as the destruction of state of Israel, and untill they get that, they won't stop. So the only way to deal with that sort of thinking is to prevent any kind of terror, so they'll be forced to look for other directions other than war.
"What are we to do if someone invades and violates the sanctity of our homes? What am i to do if a robber comes into my household and threates me with a machine gun?"
That man should ask himself what can he do to prevent it. It's obvious that violence will only make it worse, only when there won't be necessity to look for bombs and suicide bombers' explosives in his house, it'll stop. So it is a sad thing, because the little civilian can't stop terror by himself, but he should support the moderates, and adopt more firm stand against terrorists requesting to use his home.
"what are these people now homeless left to do?"
The homeless would probably get an assistance from various sources - From Sadaam Hussein in the past, to Saudi funds. But he should know that he is risking his house when he allow terrorists in. It's tragic that the civilians has to suffer because of the terrorists, but yet support of terror among the Palestinian is high, but declining, maybe thanks to the fact that many understand now that violence will bring them only suffering.

Who are you calling "goy," Jesana? Who gave you the permission to call me anything?
Because they are smarter, have bigger dicks, and have lot of money.

It's called JEALOUSY!

Voted : The Jews gave us God. Death to the messengers!
This is the ultimate answer. The real, overriding reason that people hate Jews is because through the Jewish faith only, God came into our lives. If it had not been for Jews, we would be living in blissful pagan ignorance of wrongdoing.
Voted : "The humans kill what they do not understand."
From "Camber the Heretic" by Katherine Kurtz. (She's Catholic, before anyone gets any ideas.)
Because they are smart, have lots of money and big dicks!





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