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i like the v2 thing tho! it could have won the war! but der fuhrer objected to the shape lol abc why did you repeat my choice? lol Especially Going Into Russia. With That Said, Bring Our War Dead Home From Europe. if i knew where they were! you know how it is you put someone down somewhere safe then you cant find them! I can find them, they are in cemeteries thoughout Europe, According to you Mobsie, they died for no reason, because you could have won without them, which maybe you could, I'm not even going to debate that with you. But for you to say our role was so incedental, wtf was the purpose of them dying. and don't answer my question with a question, because I can read your mind. No not according to me usmc! if you read what was put and think about it you`ll know thats not what i meant! America joining the war WAS incidental to the germans losing! in the same way that 6 million jews getting gased was incidental to germany losing! Or in the same way 1.500,000 japanese was incidental! This debate is about losing! not winning! Germany would have lost with or without america!! we didnt know that at the time so yes it was important that america joined! but thats not why germany lost!!! is it? ok, mobsie, I apologize I misunderstood your ballot. No apology needed! i`ve offended people in the past so its no surprise when people think i`m being offensive! but thanks anyway! whats with the too many fronts? is it sarcasm or cant people read?!?! There is no single factor, it had multiple causes. I don't know if Germany would have lost if the U.S. had not joined in. They were winning after all. By the U.S. and ALL the allies working together, they forced Germany to have to defend and "attack" many different fronts. If the U.S. was not involved, the allies would not have had the resources to open all the fronts that they did. When you write incidental, I take it to mean that it was a factor that helped, but not the sole reason...correct? If the Allies had not been so united, I doubt Germany would have lost and I do think the USA being involved shortened the war and also, did prevent the Germans from winning (but again, it was a unified victory and the entire Allied force won it together) to reply to patch i indded mean incidental to imply just that! but I`m unsure what extra fronts we opened because of the us! theres 2 main reasons the germans lost! one was pushing to far the other was attacking russia in winter! if the germans had gone with the v2 then there is every possibility that they would have had nukes before we did! I personaly think we didnt win more the germans lost through bad tactics and the inability of hitler to let the armed forces rule itself! he didnt trust his generals and in the end it went against him! Very true: hitler was his own worst enemy and he would not get out from under foot of this military command. But I still say that the U.S. forces (we had 16 million people in the armed forces in WWII) were a big factor in helping...that's logical just from a man power perspective. But rest assured, I am not one of those people who say "we won the war for you." That to me is an insult to the entire Alliance. I guess the most important thing is that they did lose. the world would be a very different place otherwise! In all likelyhood the holocaust would never have reached the public knowledge! some excuse would be made and bought! The germans were being funded by the US throughout the war They didnt win because the script wasnt written that way.
by bigmonkeynuts
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not sure i completely accept that nuts! bit to tenuous even for me! i accept the eugenics movement was part of the illuminati`s german infection mostly funded by america. but hitler was never part of that. and the script at some point (if your right) implies britain went against hitler for americas sake too! i know pearl harbour was known about in advance but that doesnt tie it up! Heya mobes, didja check 47503 , ZIGS axis of evil ballot? 'bout half way down alien invader and ZIG (bmn to lesser extent) hit the pedal to the metal
by bigmonkeynuts
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members. tripod.com/~american_almanac/ britsww2.htm Was just reading this just now.Havent done a full background tey (which i like to do just to cover my ass :o) ) but it has evidence that Churchill and co sabotaged German resistance to Hitler and assasination attempts
by bigmonkeynuts
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I cannot believe how anyone can say the United States didn't play much of a part in WWII, that is so pathetically ignorant, it's utterly mind boggling that anyone can be THAT stupid. WAYYY before any US serviceman fired a shot, LONGGGGG before any US plane flew over northern europe, the United States was sending millions of tons of supplies across the atlantic, trying to avoid the U-boats. I do NOT understand how any reasonable person can possible be so stupid, even if you are British. Sure, I could see someone who is French being that dumb, but come on Brits, you know damn well that you were being supplied with so much rubber, oil, gasoline, ammunition, engine parts, etc, etc, etc, from the United States from the day that Poland was invaded by Germany. Oh, and as to my thoughts, I'd look further into WHY Germany was on two fronts. Hitler was a genius of public speaking, his command of speech and a crowd would rival anyone. However, his ability as a military tactical officer was absolutely pathetic, from his bungling of the ME-262 to his medling with the rocket programs, everything he did involving the actual planning and execution of anything military seemed to be a disaster. Invading Russia was no exception. Despite the advice of his most trusted military advisors to NOT invade Russia (most probably had studied about Napolean, where as Hitler OBVIOUSLY had not) Hitler just decided to go against everyone and invade anyway. I think that led him to be defeated a lot quicker than Germany would have been defeated, but I don't see that it would have ended differently regardless. Had he not invaded Russia, it's likely the battle for France would have been a lot more like WWI, probably worse. yikes. who is this jappy? did he read any of the posts? did he read the question? This is about why germany lost! not about america! get of your self obsessed arse jappy! this isnt about you! hitler did study napoleon but he thought he would fare better because of modern arms! there was more than 2 fronts jappy! dont use your childhood lessons as an example of warfare you make it seem like you knew better than hitler! some people on this site have pointed to you as a figure of respect! god knows why you seem like just another jerk to me! raaaaar Oh, BigMonkey, guy, listen, you gotta stop with these conspiracy theories. I just posted a message to you in another ballot about your sources and I had given you the benefit of the doubt, but this is too much man! We were funding the Germans?! Back off nuts, now! Too many people lost their lives on all sides and that is totally not a cool thing to throw out there. You better get net savvy buddy, because your research sucks and reading some of your comments tells me you head right for those self-created sites that are set up and run by nuts! Maybe that's your bag, but I prefer to deal in facts and truth as much as I can...its all about keeping your "street cred" brother and with that comment, yours dropped quite a bit in my view. might not be cool patch but there is truth in the statement! you inability to accept doesnt stop it from being true! you take things personaly tho this i know! you shouldnt tho because this involves all of us! we are all victims of these lies! you think you know whats going on? much tho i like you< and i do, you cant know the truth because that goes against everything they believe! unless you think im a conspiracy nut?!?!? i doubt it tho! " they want you to believe" I posted a response on the Deja Vu ballot that I meant for here. You're right though in that a conspiracy theory could be true, but just not proven or given credibility. There are just so many out there, that most of it's clutter and it's hard to get through. I like Big Monkey...but some of the stuff he posts in out there! I think he drinks a lot of coffee...he strikes me as very hyper. But why would we fund Germany throughout the war? It makes no sense. Could there have been powerful German-Americans who secretly did, sure! Probably true...for obvious reasons. thats what he`s saying i dont know if i like him i will do what i do best! not give a shit! but i will go with what i believe! you know that tho! Yes I do and I like that type of consistency. No one is entering in comments on my most recent ballot about the Zionist lobby in the U.S. I tell you, I am hell bent on trying to break our relationship with Israel. I hope more people write in comments..but I think they, like me, are tired of doing battle with Yosi! He drives me nuts! A combo of the options listed above. good lord, do you know anything about WWII except what your stupid professors taught you? Hitler wasn't educated in the art of war, he did relatively little study on the subject, he had great advisors but chose to ignore them in situations like invading Russia. Let's look at it this way... Germany on several fronts fighting an English army without fuel, ammo, supplies, etc, would not have lost. How do you like THAT??? I gave it a lovely little twist that time didn't I? DO YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS LEADING? Yes, I'm sure you do... but you will insult me about it and choose to ignore my implications here. as in, the English army would have no fuel, no ammo, no supplies, etc. Sure, fighting on multiple fronts is the single reason why the germans lost, but you don't want people to look into how that caused them to lose, do you? Hi Patch I recommend muchly Alien Invaders and Zigs posts on that axis ballot i mentioned.U should find it interesting Check out Trading With The Enemy by Charles Higham .The important thing to keep in mind though, this not an allegation levelled at troops.Theres no question they are the ones being set up and not in on any "conspiracy". Its the higher ups in military who often are the best sources.Military investigators and many higher ups are going public all the time. And dont worry too much about how i sound on the comment box.;) Youre right though,2004 has not been a good year for me. B and w served its purpose and i was serious about going back to getting a life :) Even if the long walk is postponed
by bigmonkeynuts
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There are many good books but if one came to mind as a good summary its War Is A Racket by Major General Smedley-Butler Here are some brief exerpts www.ratical.org/ ratville/CAH/ warisaracket.html#c1
by bigmonkeynuts
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jappy you talk shite thats why noones interested... germany didnt lose the war because of england so that blows one hole in your argument! north sea oil is still being pumped so why would we need you oil? and hitler directed most of the battles himself! I think its you that learnt this stuff from a professor because you just talking rot! again jappy you are the american that wants to say "we won it for you" nobody cares you twat! The war was won by a team effort of the Russians, Americans and British. In pure slaughter terms Russia is really the element here.They always say :: why the hell did Hitler go against Russia at that moment when everyone was telling him its the worst possible time. I might be speculating here but perhaps Hitler went on his own tangent because he believed he was infallible, the Messiah.Hitler was actually brainwashed literally by German Psychiatrists at a place called Pasewalk.The journal History Of Childhood Quarterly suggests his visions were induced."The eyewitness" was a book written by a jewish doctor about a man named A H at pasewalk blabla and all sorts of details that clearly suggest Hitlers psychiatrist Edmund Forster revealed what had been done to him while abroad once in paris..Eventually he was taken over by the Thule society .The German Workers Party (NAZIS) was actually a political front for the Aryan Mystical Religion , The Vril Society being another.Goering , a morphine addict was a memeber of the Edelweiss society. Beliefs in supermen beneath the earths surface, apocalypse, a swiss cheese structured universe, a Nordic Messiah etc.The link above suggests his own tried to assasinate him. Perhaps theyd lost control of their creation .
by bigmonkeynuts
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That is to say they declared him as the messiah. The Japanese were part of a mystical group called the Black Dragon The themes are always the same.
by bigmonkeynuts
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The US National archives have the diaries of Hitlers fizzition (fuck spelling it) Dr Morell which say our golden haired boy was repeatedley injected with painkillers, sedatives, striychnine , morphine , cocaine and others throughout the the entire war. The Nazis claimed that extraterrestrials were the source of their ideology and that they had met with them, though they came from underground.Much of the entries in the holy books of the Jews , the book of Mormon, the JW's also seems to be describing ETS (whether real or imagined)
by bigmonkeynuts
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Because they decided that they really didn't want to rule over Britain after all. They were worried that those bad traits of the British might be transferred into their pure and innocent race. They realized that ruling over the British and the French would make them less than they currently were, so they gave up. British teeth scared them. So much for socialized medicine. Maybe the Britards should have socialized dentistry. The person who wrote '' Wir haben nicht verloren! arbeit macht frei! Is a queer that beats off his dog in the basement. Translated '' We didn't lose! Work will set you free! Funny huh how the worlds gene pool is slowly turing black.
by raining_blood
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to the idiot who talked about british teeth, you are a retard who has never been to britain before. younger brits have the same if not better dontal care than u yanks do , i myself have had braces and i have great teeth. take a look at some pictures of people like julia roberts or tom cruise before they had dental work done, they are nothing to be proud of. it is a myth that brits have worse teeth than yanks but it is fact that yanks are the FATTEST people on the planet. after britain/commonwealth forces ussr did the most then usa and hitler was loosing the war when u hauled your whimpish ares into the war. OH hell brit, you euros have been at each others throats for centuries,killing and slaughtering one another. Why should the US rush over and help you out. You think after WW1 europe would have had enough. Anyway, I'm one American who wished the US never got involved. At least none of my ancestors died over there. Operation Barbarossa (the Nazi invasion of Russia) was pretty much it if you don't count the U.S.
by jimmuldrow
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Not defeating britain, no we weren't the biggest contributer to winning the war but we halted them and kept on going through the long months of late 40 to early 41, if britain had have been defeated america wouldn't have joined the war in europe, europe now would either be under comunism or nazism 1. opening too fronts 2. invading russia after great success in mosto f europe(except england in 1941) I guess the raich would have failed anyhow, it was only a matter of time. hitler lost the war because he failed to defeat britain in 1940. This ensured that troops had to be kept in the west vs UK and the resistance movements that the UK was supporting. Thus, in both Northwestern Europe and the Med the Axis still faced hostile opposing forces. When he invaded the USSR in 1941 he opened up a second front in the East that would drain germany dry. From this point on germany was destined to be defeated. When he declared war on the US it speeded up the process of german defeat, and indeed ensured that in the longterm Communism would not take over even larger areas than it did in the postwar period, something we can all be thankful for. But in logical terms the point at which Hitler lost the war was his defeat in the Battle of Britain in sept. 1940. Voted : UK going unexpectedly against hitler there is no single factor, i think it was obvious the nazi,s would lose the war, the only question was when?. Great Britain winning the battle of britain was the start of the end for the nazi,s. Britain capturing the Enigma machine and cracking the codes also helped in our favour.
by simplythebest
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