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Why is it fair to allow Natives the right to go to college without paying any tuition? How is that fair to the rest of us? Isn't that a case of reverse discrimination? I don't know about the States, but if you live here in Canada, and have a status card, you can go to college for free, and you've got all these Natives kids sitting around and doing nothing (and I resent any implication that I'm being racist by posing the question).

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herzog when did your ethnic group lose its land? in which part of history? It didn't and so you have no experience to draw your generalisation from. How would you feel if half of your family had been butchered by mexicans and you were forced to live in a reservation? would you content yourself with the knowledge that at least it didn't happen to you? Not a chance.

entered by : mobsie666
Submitted on : Sep 18,2005 4:00:39 pm

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herzog when did your ethnic group lose its land? in which part of history? It didn't and so you have no experience to draw your generalisation from. How would you feel if half of your family had been butchered by mexicans and you were forced to live in a reservation? would you content yourself with the knowledge that at least it didn't happen to you?

Not a chance.


Well mobs, my ancestors came from germany, can you think of anything bad that happened to germany ever in history? Likely american bombs or bullets wiped out a great many of my relatives who stayed behind, where's my compensation?

Oh and the other half of my family came from ireland. Has any nation mistreated ireland at any point in the past thousand years?

Oh my poor people, the suffering is too great for me to bear. The only way you evil westerners can make it up is to give me money and lots of it. That'll more than compensate for all the 'suffering' I've had to endure.
I'm not sure of the native situation in canada larry but its not as well documented as the usa. I know australia had pretty much the worst human rights offences known to history when they subdued the natives. oddly its a fact most people aren't aware of.

Are these natives incanada in reservations? I don't honestly know.

Oh that's right, only non-whites are allowed to complain about historical injustices. Silly herzog, using facts and applying them logically and fairly to everyone is racist.
If you belive this herzog,why do you support Israel, that land had nothing to do with the people living as Isralis now, that belonged to their ancestors not them.

The people of the America's should all be pushed into the deserts , canadians into Antarctica, and let the natives have the land back.

That is what was done in Palestine/Israel

If it was good enough for them, it's good enough for us

No, because you're still making the same argument. That the natives should get the land back because their ancestors owned it. Race doesn't give you ownership of anything. Who has it now is what's important.
herzog were talking about schooling here. thats being offered. it makes sense to educate your countries people but not at the cost of others.

You also seem to be in some confusion about the difference between nationality and ethnicity. But i'm gonna adress it anyway.

Lets face it germany asked for it. and if you think its forgotten then take a trip back to germmany and see. there are still claims for compensation going through. the country is deeply divided. Same with ireland. its still a country divided.

So in both your erronious examlpes you add weight against your own arguments.


Good point larry. how can u support israel herzog?
Because their 2000 year old ancestors said so? I didn't take you for a christian herzog.
Yeah herzog and why isnt france german?
and why isnt england french?
'herzog were talking about schooling here. thats being offered. it makes sense to educate your countries people but not at the cost of others.'

Ah, so if the government were to give free education to all white kids, but not everyone else you'd say great, education is a wonderful thing? The problem isn't that they're giving away education for free, it's that they are selectively giving it away based on skin color.

'You also seem to be in some confusion about the difference between nationality and ethnicity. But i'm gonna adress it anyway.'

In many cases it's the same.


'You also seem to be in some confusion about the difference between nationality and ethnicity. But i'm gonna adress it anyway.'

So now we're basing it on the 'they asked for it' defense? Interesting, you could make that claim for a lot of groups. I guess if mobs decides you deserve to die then you deserve to die.

'there are still claims for compensation going through. the country is deeply divided. Same with ireland. its still a country divided.'

So because they are divided that negates historical wrongs committed against them? So if indian tribes disagree with each other, and they do, that negates their claims to any sort of compensation?

You're stretching it.

'So in both your erronious examlpes you add weight against your own arguments. '

Only because you've chosen to ignore them.

'so if Japan had captured Hawaii during ww2, that would have been ok to allow them to keep it even now?'

No, I would have recomended taking it back. But that was during a time of war, so conflict is expected. A better analogy would be: if japan takes hawaii in wwII, would hawaiians one thousand years in the future have a right to compensation? Obviously not.

Now mobs, I'm interested in this theory you have that skin color gives you claims to things you don't already own. Which skin color would a person have to be to get your home?

Not only do natives have to have status cards, but they must also live on reservations to be eligible for free tuition. I have no problem with it, mostly because it would be very hard for the majority of reservation-based natives to afford university tuition. The fact is, however hard it is to face for mainstream Canadians, that natives or First Nations are treated as second class. The standard of living, life expectancy, education, etc. are substantially lower than the rest of the Canadian population. Anything that levels the playing field is fine by me.
Is it guilt that make you support israel? for what die faterland did to them?
Yeah I watched a prog about that cranky. and fully intend to make a visit soon. see which lasts longer a hundred euro`s worth of guiness or me. Scotland has a similar thing going on with education. people from england actually pay to go to some scottish colleges because the standards have improved so much.
Mobs: just to get things straight, you support free handouts based on race so long as that race isn't white? Because the contention here isn't that these people are allowed to get an education, that's a wonderful thing. It's that they are given special treatment simply because of their skin color.

Now, do you support special treatment based on skin color, including monetary handouts, if that persons ancestors, in your opinion, suffered (but didn't 'ask for it' like some people who suffered).

'"So now we're basing it on the 'they asked for it' defense? Interesting, you could make that claim for a lot of groups. I guess if mobs decides you deserve to die then you deserve to die. "

What???? your sliding further and further away herzog.'

Are you going to deny that you made the claim that 'germany asked for it' when it came to massive civilian deaths during wwII? Because if you are I will gladly present you with the quote where you said exactly that.

So according to you this isn't based on some objective scale of suffering, but on whether or not the people suffering deserved it. Who are some other people in your opinion who had it coming? Did the jews? How about the tibetans? Perhaps the various tribes in africa 'had it coming'? Try to be specific on who is worthy of sympathy and who deserves to die.

What do you expect when you start a war herzog? Beach parties? the odd barbecue? picnic perhaps? a few french girl doing the molin rouge?
'No herzog. I support the idea that poor people who cannot afford schooling should get it free. whatever the colour of their skin'

Good, so you'll oppose this program as it's given out not based on need, but on who your parents were. I'm glad you came around to my way of thinking.

'If it turns out only one group is getting it then its wrong'

Yep, and that is the case.

'If you would simply read what I write you will see i asked what the situation was. as i didn't get a reply then i obviously still dont know.'

It's at the top of the ballot, right under 'why should natives be allowed to enter college without tuition' and before 'yes I believe they should.'


'As for germany. They started it and deserve everything they got. Should i put that in bold for you?'

Right, so you believe german toddlers deserved to die in the firebombings of dresden and berlin, etc. Because they are german, a disease on the earth that must be cleansed.

'Your own president talks in terms of civilians deaths as "something that happens in war" and these are innocent people too.'

You don't see any difference between 'an unfortunate but unavoidable death in the course of war' and 'they deserved to die'?

'What do you expect when you start a war herzog? Beach parties? the odd barbecue? picnic perhaps? a few french girl doing the molin rouge?'

What war did I start?


you dont know what this program is based on and nor can you imply it in context of the wording of the ballot. you know jull well it can be read both ways.

"You don't see any difference between 'an unfortunate but unavoidable death in the course of war' and 'they deserved to die'? "

Your problem herzog is that you dont see the similarities.

I was talking rhetoricaly about what happens when someone starts a war and you know it. so dont play the fool.

you dont know what this program is based on and nor can you imply it in context of the wording of the ballot. you know jull well it can be read both ways. '

'Why is it fair to allow Natives the right to go to college without paying any tuition? How is that fair to the rest of us? Isn't that a case of reverse discrimination? I don't know about the States, but if you live here in Canada, and have a status card, you can go to college for free, and you've got all these Natives kids sitting around and doing nothing (and I resent any implication that I'm being racist by posing the question).'

I read the ballot question, that's how I know.

you dont know what this program is based on and nor can you imply it in context of the wording of the ballot. you know jull well it can be read both ways. '

'Why is it fair to allow Natives the right to go to college without paying any tuition? How is that fair to the rest of us? Isn't that a case of reverse discrimination? I don't know about the States, but if you live here in Canada, and have a status card, you can go to college for free, and you've got all these Natives kids sitting around and doing nothing (and I resent any implication that I'm being racist by posing the question).'

I read the ballot question, that's how I know.

'Your problem herzog is that you dont see the similarities.

I was talking rhetoricaly about what happens when someone starts a war and you know it. so dont play the fool.'

So who else deserves to die in your estimate?

And btw, which war did I start?

* it still doesnt say wether people on low incomes, that want to do education, get free schooling. stop being dumb.

I'v already explained it was rhetorical about you starting a war. but just for you ill make one up. you voted bush so therefore you indirectly started the war in iraq.

The ballot clearly states they get free college if they can produce a government issued card stating they are a member of an indian tribe. Clearly wealth has nothing to do with it, only race. Read the ballot question before commenting.

And are you sure you want to blame the war in iraq on me? You people usually blame the jews.

again herzog u miss the point.

I'll spell it slowly for you

Do

canadians

on

low income

recieve

free

schooling..

Did u understand that herzog?? I made it nice and simple for you.

Not sure why My people would blame jews.
Do you think im german?

I'll spell it out for you, as you continue to (intentionally?) miss the point.

These indians are getting free schooling not because they are poor, and canada provides all poor people with free education. They are getting it because they are indians, period, end of story.

Now, address the real issue, and stop trying to invent ones to cover your own ass.

I'm sure if the natives had enough money then they would send them to a school not full of natives.

Let them do nothing aya. at least u will make something of your life.

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^ I'm sure if poor whites had the money they'd send their kids to school too, but they don't have that option because they're white. Explain the fairness in that please.





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